2/4 Stud Hi, Straight vs open trips on 5th st

[LeeG]

Comments all the way please.

7 Card Stud High ($2/$4), Ante $0.40, Bring-In $0.50 (converter)

Seat 1: $52.70
Seat 2: $22.80
Seat 3: $65.50
Seat 6: $51.20
Hero: $174.50
Seat 8: $127.10

3rd Street - (1.20 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx T:diamond:___folds
Seat 2: xx xx A:club:___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 6:spade:___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 9:club:___folds
Hero: T:club: 9:spade: J:heart:___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3:diamond:___brings-in

4th Street - (1.95 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx 6:spade: 6:club:___double-bets
Hero: T:club: 9:spade: J:heart: Q:club:___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3:diamond: 5:club:___folds

5th Street - (2.98 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 6:spade: 6:club: 6:heart:___bets
Hero: T:club: 9:spade: J:heart: Q:club: K:diamond:___calls

6th Street - (4.98 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 6:spade: 6:club: 6:heart: 3:spade:___bets
Hero: T:club: 9:spade: J:heart: Q:club: K:diamond: 7:club:___calls

River - (6.98 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 6:spade: 6:club: 6:heart: 3:spade: xx___bets
Hero: T:club: 9:spade: J:heart: Q:club: K:diamond: 7:club: 4:club:___calls

Total pot: (8.98 BB - $35.90)

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Fold 5th. Best case scenario, he is freerolling. Worst case, you are drawing 100% dead with the prospect of calling 3 bets.

I also prefer a raise on 3rd to preferably take the lead and go heads-up with the 6. With the way you played it, I'd probably fold 4th, because I figure my pair draws are now dead and I have to play my hand basically face-up against a guy who may have two pair/trips already.

[StarlightCoast]

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[crack]

I don't mind limping or even raising this on 3. I may be more inclined to raise it if the player can just muck a small pair on 5 unimproved against me.

You have no reason not to believe on 4 that he didn't make trips and therefore all you have is a small pot facing a double bet with an OESD. Muck it right there.

And Starlight, DC is right. If for some reason you did manage to accidentally call and make a straight v open 666 you should muck it. You're either drawing dead or he has 3 cards to pair up. The problem is you don't know where he is at. The pot is hardly huge and you are faced with the prospect of calling down 3 bets into a 3 bet pot almost probably drawing dead a lot of the time.

You can't get any extra money out of the situation and you may be forced to give him a free card if he checks on 6.

This is a really easy fold.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

It's not really putting him on a pair in the hole, although that is a pretty likely scenario, or quad 6's. He probably doesn't have a high pair in the hole, or he would have raised. But he could easily have a small pair in the hole, or be limping with a pair of 6's. Pretty much to limp with his hand, he had to either have a pair in the hole (now a full house), a 6 (quads), a 3-straight, or a 3-flush (both of which can make a boat and we will have no way of knowing).

The point is, we have no way to improve our hand. He does (that's what I meant by "freerolling," though it isn't freerolling in the traditional sense), or he has us beat now. Putting in 3 more bets playing guessing games is really bad.

And now that I think about it, 4th is not a maybe-fold. It is a must fold, simply from a RIO perspective.

[Jauron]

Fold 5th.

Huh??? How can you possibly fold this especially on 5th St.???

He double bets on 4th street, how often is he doing that with just the pair showing? I'm not very good at this game but it feels obvious to me unless the guy is a maniac we are dead on 5th too often.

[HalfSugar]

SLC - I suggest you stick to shredding the local 2/4 FL game.

[LeeG]

I think if it had been anyone but this guy, I'd have folded on 4th. A few hands earlier he had raised me on 5th st when I had a suited board and he ended up with only a pair of nines and a gutshot straight draw.

I called it down to the end and he had nothing but what was showing. There are a few guys on the 2/4 and 3/6 boards that are so loose it never pays to lay down unless you are beat showing. This particular guy had nearly $600 when I sat down and left broke.

[crack]

Fold 5th.

Huh??? How can you possibly fold this especially on 5th St.???

He double bets on 4th street, how often is he doing that with just the pair showing? I'm not very good at this game but it feels obvious to me unless the guy is a maniac we are dead on 5th too often.

If he has any clue about the game, with no 6 being passed he should be double betting with anything when he pairs his door card.

Lee, it doesn't matter how bad a player is, when he is showing 3 open 6's you should be folding. TBH even against bad players in such a small pot you should be mucking K high straight draws when someone pairs there door card.

I don't think the result indicates the correct play on 4th street and onwards.

[flafishy]

You do not have correct odds to play this hand at any point beyond third street. You'll become a consistently winning stud player the moment you learn to fold these hands without a second thought.

[HalfSugar]

SLC - I suggest you stick to shredding the local 2/4 FL game.

I can't believe this post got no love.

Flafishy - where have you been for 13 months?!