2 questions on rules of poker

[thegreatone1b]

Hi, guys first time on this board and i have 2 interesting questions
Question 1:
3 players, player A is small blind, player B is big blind, and player C is dealer. Player C is first to act. He puts his chip across the line, counts them, said a number say 3000, and then looks at his hand. During this player A is small blind say calls, during when Player A said calls, Player C folds his hand. What should happen here? Player C said he didn't make a call was just counting, he didn't say bet, check, or raise. He just counting his chips. Player B said no you said 3000, i assume that is your bet. What do you guys think?

Questions 2:

2 players in the game. With river card dealt. Player A acts first and bets 1200 chips across the line and announces it. Player B flips over his card and said what he has say "10 high" Player A shows his cards and said pair of 5's I have the better hand. Player B ok you win. Player A demands for his 1200 chips, Player B said, I didn't call you, I thought you checked and thought it was a high card show down plus I didn't call, check, bet, or raise. Player A thinks that he deserves the 1200 chips he called with. What do you guys think?

There was obviously mistakes made, what should be done as a result of these mistakes?

[Felting]

#1 is easy. The button is committed to putting 3000 in the pot and his cards are mucked since he threw them away. The blinds must both complete up to the 3000 and the flop should then be dealt.

#2, also easy, a player turning up his cards without calling is usually considered a muck. Even if he had the better hand he wouldn't be able to put the 1200 in and win the pot. So no the other player isn't owed the 1200 either.

[SDPokerDude]

Actually, on situation 2, it depends...

In a cash game, you are allowed to expose your hand when heads up. So exposing his hand and declaring what he had is not a binding action. It is simply gamesmanship. If the bettor exposes his hand, it is just additional info for the action player to react to.

In a tourney, you are NOT allowed to expose your hand and his hand is mucked. Usually, a one hand penalty would also go into effect, but that depends on the room.

[HalfSugar]

Actually, on situation 2, it depends...

In a cash game, you are allowed to expose your hand when heads up. So exposing his hand and declaring what he had is not a binding action. It is simply gamesmanship. If the bettor exposes his hand, it is just additional info for the action player to react to.

That's only true if the rules permit it. There are still plenty of places where exposing your hand even when HU in a cash game will kill it.

Also OP looks to be describing tournaments because he talks about betting '1200 chips' rather than monetary amounts.

[Isaac Mikel]

I was at a game a while ago where something like question 1 popped up.

I went all in pre-flop with pocket aces, everyone folded bar one player (who was chip leader and calling anything). He deliberated for a while, and I eventually found myself looking down at my stack. I then heard him ask "Okay, what have you got," I then moved to flip over my hand, but luckily the guy next to me stopped me and informed me that he was asking the amount of chips I had and not to show my hand. I was upset about this because I felt that he should have asked "How much to call," or something along those lines.

[Felting]

buyer beware.

He may have worded it that way on purpose to get you to expose your hand. Of course it may have been accidental as well. This is a perfect example of why you should always be deliberate and consciously think about every action and when in doubt look to the dealer to see what the action is.