2 stud hands and a question

[zinn0]

I'm wondering what everyone else does in this situation? With 4 's showing, I was scared to death, and from that point on I just wanted to get to showdown as cheap as possible.

PokerStars Game #3188779130: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/11/28 - 23:28:15 (ET)
Table 'Mathilda'
Seat 1: SIQWITHIT ($13.40 in chips)
Seat 2: Dragonballz5 ($5.45 in chips)
Seat 3: samaroo1 ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 4: pluke05 ($30.55 in chips)
Seat 5: zinn0 ($6.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Nittany74 ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 7: RealMisterC ($55 in chips)
Seat 8: Sparks_3rd ($21.50 in chips)
SIQWITHIT: posts the ante $0.05
Dragonballz5: posts the ante $0.05
samaroo1: posts the ante $0.05
pluke05: posts the ante $0.05
zinn0: posts the ante $0.05
Nittany74: posts the ante $0.05
RealMisterC: posts the ante $0.05
Sparks_3rd: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to SIQWITHIT [Ac]
Dealt to Dragonballz5 [Ah]
Dealt to samaroo1 [3s]
Dealt to pluke05 [Kd]
Dealt to zinn0 [Qh 8s Qs]
Dealt to Nittany74 [Th]
Dealt to RealMisterC [9s]
Dealt to Sparks_3rd [Qd]
samaroo1: brings-in low $0.25
pluke05: raises $0.25 to $0.50
zinn0: calls $0.50
Nittany74: calls $0.50
RealMisterC: calls $0.50
Sparks_3rd: folds
SIQWITHIT: raises $0.50 to $1
Dragonballz5: folds
samaroo1: folds
pluke05: calls $0.50
zinn0: calls $0.50
Nittany74: calls $0.50
RealMisterC: calls $0.50
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to SIQWITHIT [Ac] [8h]
Dealt to pluke05 [Kd] [8c]
Dealt to zinn0 [Qh 8s Qs] [Qc]
Dealt to Nittany74 [Th] [Kh]
Dealt to RealMisterC [9s] [3c]
Pair on board - a double bet is allowed
zinn0: bets $1
Nittany74: calls $1
RealMisterC: calls $1
SIQWITHIT: calls $1
pluke05: folds
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to SIQWITHIT [Ac 8h] [3d]
Dealt to zinn0 [Qh 8s Qs Qc] [9h]
Dealt to Nittany74 [Th Kh] [Jh]
Dealt to RealMisterC [9s 3c] [6d]
zinn0: bets $1
Nittany74: calls $1
RealMisterC: calls $1
SIQWITHIT: calls $1
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to SIQWITHIT [Ac 8h 3d] [5h]
Dealt to zinn0 [Qh 8s Qs Qc 9h] [2s]
Dealt to Nittany74 [Th Kh Jh] [7h]
Dealt to RealMisterC [9s 3c 6d] [2d]
zinn0: checks
Nittany74: checks
RealMisterC: checks
SIQWITHIT: checks
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to zinn0 [Qh 8s Qs Qc 9h 2s] [Kc]
zinn0: checks
Nittany74: checks
RealMisterC: folds
SIQWITHIT: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SIQWITHIT: shows [Tc Ad Ac 8h 3d 5h 5c] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
zinn0: shows [Qh 8s Qs Qc 9h 2s Kc] (three of a kind, Queens)
Nittany74: mucks hand
zinn0 collected $13.15 from pot


Here is one more hand while I'm at it. The guy was showing trip fives, and he was betting them as well. I made my draw on 6th and wanted to know where I was at, so I raised him. Smooth call from lisego. Should I be terrified or happy in this situation? I almost laid it down on the river, but listened to my gut and called. I just didn't think he had the boat.

PokerStars Game #3188814507: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/11/28 - 23:31:37 (ET)
Table 'Simona'
Seat 1: Snomankw ($5.50 in chips)
Seat 2: FLHT Bagger ($1.25 in chips)
Seat 3: gmunky85 ($44.15 in chips)
Seat 4: COOKIEDAN ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 5: The Medic ($6.20 in chips)
Seat 6: zinn0 ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 7: lisego ($11.65 in chips)
Seat 8: luver ($13.75 in chips)
Snomankw: posts the ante $0.05
FLHT Bagger: posts the ante $0.05
gmunky85: posts the ante $0.05
COOKIEDAN: posts the ante $0.05
The Medic: posts the ante $0.05
zinn0: posts the ante $0.05
lisego: posts the ante $0.05
luver: posts the ante $0.05
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to Snomankw [2d]
Dealt to FLHT Bagger [Jd]
Dealt to gmunky85 [3d]
Dealt to COOKIEDAN [Ks]
Dealt to The Medic [6c]
Dealt to zinn0 [Jh Qs 9h]
Dealt to lisego [5h]
Dealt to luver [7c]
Snomankw: brings-in low $0.25
FLHT Bagger: calls $0.25
gmunky85: calls $0.25
COOKIEDAN: folds
The Medic: calls $0.25
zinn0: calls $0.25
lisego: calls $0.25
luver: calls $0.25
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Snomankw [2d] [Ah]
Dealt to FLHT Bagger [Jd] [Qd]
Dealt to gmunky85 [3d] [Td]
Dealt to The Medic [6c] [6h]
Dealt to zinn0 [Jh Qs 9h] [9c]
Dealt to lisego [5h] [5c]
Dealt to luver [7c] [8h]
Pair on board - a double bet is allowed
zinn0: bets $1
lisego: calls $1
luver: calls $1
Snomankw: calls $1
FLHT Bagger: calls $0.95 and is all-in
gmunky85: folds
The Medic: calls $1
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Snomankw [2d Ah] [7d]
Dealt to FLHT Bagger [Jd Qd] [4s]
Dealt to The Medic [6c 6h] [Ts]
Dealt to zinn0 [Jh Qs 9h 9c] [Th]
Dealt to lisego [5h 5c] [5d]
Dealt to luver [7c 8h] [Kd]
lisego: bets $1
luver: folds
Snomankw: calls $1
The Medic: folds
zinn0: calls $1
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Snomankw [2d Ah 7d] [7s]
Dealt to FLHT Bagger [Jd Qd 4s] [2s]
Dealt to zinn0 [Jh Qs 9h 9c Th] [8s]
Dealt to lisego [5h 5c 5d] [Js]
lisego: bets $1
Snomankw: folds
zinn0: raises $1 to $2
lisego: calls $1
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to zinn0 [Jh Qs 9h 9c Th 8s] [Qc]
lisego: bets $1
zinn0: calls $1

Also, what is considered 'winning' 7CS? I've read here for HE games that 1BB/100 is a decent rate...does that apply to this game as well?

[UrAteUp]

1) Why no bet on 6th street?

2) I think you played this hand well.

[zinn0]

1) Why no bet on 6th street?

The guy had too many scare cards showing on his board. 4 hearts and a straight possiblity.

[TheSalche]

By 6th street, there were 5 dead hearts, which means he needed to have one of 4 of the remaining hearts in the hole. I'm willing to call that first one down. You did well getting a cheap showdown.

Second hand looks fine. Seems like a real loose game, so I like the double bet on 4th since you have plenty of cards left to help you (although your straight possibility is somewhat dead). With all those players in the pot, you're getting the odds to chase a bit. In the future, if you blank on fifth and your opponents seem to improve, check/fold it.

Oh wait .... just saw the trip 5s, lol. Ummm, DONT raise against trips showing. You are beating it now, but you're not a big enough favorite here to raise it. Check/call for a cheap showdown.

[TheSalche]

Oh yeah, and to answer your question about being a winning stud player, I think at 'lower' limits, winrates of 2 - 5 BB/100 are very attainable, much more easily so than in limit hold'em.

Right now on record of my 1/2 Stud @ UB I'm at 9 BB/100 over 500 hands (extremely small sample ... but I think I could keep that at about 5), and at 3/6 stud I'm at 2.5/100 over 1400 hands, another small sample but I'd probably actually be higher if I started to record earlier.

Keep plugging at it ... I'm sure it'll come to you