200BB deep turn to 2 pairs facing heat

[MrDarling]

Have been sitting at the table for around 100 hands and I have to admit I never noticed villain, though he was there all along.
I play pretty LAG, something like 26/22, villain plays the same actually.

He's unknown and we have no history.

Thoughts on all streets :

Full Tilt Poker Game #9537891042: Table Alta (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:42:26 ET - 2008/12/17
Seat 1: Jade RedStone ($832)
Seat 2: chinoxl0099 ($456.40)
Seat 3: tRiCkYsArAhLoLo ($91.60)
Seat 4: The Arctic Wolf ($382)
Seat 5: wlee1231 ($404)
Seat 6: OhHenry83 ($1,009.50)
chinoxl0099 posts the small blind of $2
tRiCkYsArAhLoLo posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jade RedStone [Jh Ah]
The Arctic Wolf folds
wlee1231 folds
OhHenry83 has 15 seconds left to act
OhHenry83 raises to $14
Jade RedStone calls $14
chinoxl0099 folds
tRiCkYsArAhLoLo folds
*** FLOP *** [6h As 4c]
OhHenry83 bets $22
Jade RedStone calls $22
*** TURN *** [6h As 4c] [Js]
OhHenry83 has 15 seconds left to act
OhHenry83 checks
Jade RedStone bets $58
OhHenry83 has 15 seconds left to act
OhHenry83 raises to $180
Jade RedStone calls $122
*** RIVER *** [6h As 4c Js] [Tc]
OhHenry83 has 15 seconds left to act
OhHenry83 bets $793.50, and is all in
Jade RedStone calls $616, and is all in

[Yozman]

i probably call.

your line is weak to him. just flatting the smallish flop bet then leading when checked to on turn and then flatting. i think a fair bit of the time villain has air and he thinks you are folding to a large bet. i havnt seen any1 play a set like this before

[supafrey]

Isn't the point of the turn call to make him push with worse? We're pretty concealed and I don't see many hands beating us.

[MrDarling]

i havnt seen any1 play a set like this before

Used to be a pretty standard play with a set a year ago.

[Yozman]

i have only been playing for about 6 months sorry haha

[zinn0]

i have only been playing for about 6 months sorry haha

Yozman
Joined: 30 Mar 2007
Posts: 199


does not compute

[KingOHearts]

You just met Detective Zinn0, CSI. Cuff him, Dano.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

i call based on the fact u have 2 pair

[MrDarling]

i call based on the fact u have 2 pair

Isn't that a bit level 1ish?

[miaowmiaowchowface]

i call based on the fact u have 2 pair

Isn't that a bit level 1ish?

should have said top 2, the matter of fact being you dont really lose to many hands and you even beat some of his _value_ range which i think makes it a call without any better reads. He could easily put you on a much wider range, ur near the top here :. call imo

[Jauron]

Isn't the point of the turn call to make him push with worse? We're pretty concealed and I don't see many hands beating us.

I agree, especially vs LAG I don't see how we can lay this down w/o strong read.

[Yozman]

i have only been playing for about 6 months sorry haha

Yozman
Joined: 30 Mar 2007
Posts: 199


does not compute

well i pleyed for a month or so around the time i joined this forum then quit for a year as i was spewing money as i was a donk.

[MrDarling]

Isn't the point of the turn call to make him push with worse? We're pretty concealed and I don't see many hands beating us.

Well, it was to allow him to continue with worse, but I doubt villain is pushing for value with worse.
Villain pushes for 1.2X the pot. Generally people over shove nutty type hands or bluffs.
So its just down to what will villain consider nutty type hand here, how many of those do we beat and how often does he have to bluff to make the call correct.

[D0nkEyK0nG]

just thinking out loud!

My 1st thought was KK

but later streets, I'm thinking JJ, AJ

My thought is he has JJ he lead the flop as a C-bet you just called, he then hit his 2 outer.

just my 2 cents

[buckeyes77]

I would have mucked the AJ after he pushed, having put him on a set of 6's or J's (not that it matters in this case but it would be hard to distinguish between set of 6's or J's based on his actions). Furthermore, I would have thought that he put me on one of 2 hands: AK or AJ so that's useful to me as well.

His post-flop bet doesn't really give us much info. Pretty standard approx. pot size bet could represent anything from pocket pair 7's or up, to a strong Ace. When you called he probably put you on a strong Ace with lower probability of a set of 6's (if he had pocket J's) or a higher pocket pair.

On the turn, my guess is that he checked knowing that whatever you did would confirm a range of several hands that he had you on up to that point. As soon as you bet the $58 into the existing $72 pot, that eliminated any set possibility with the two spades on the board and he now had you on a strong Ace. His solid raise can now indicate he hit his set of J's or he already had the set of 6's on the flop. What is also interesting is that his raise wasn't to push you out but was most likely trying to induce a reraise with your strong Ace. Your call probably told him that you most likely had the AJ and maybe but less likely AK.

On the river, just the customary push with the set. I'm pretty sure he had the set of either J's or 6's.

What did he end up showing down?