3 of a kind hand

[blah730235]

Villians are unknown


Seat 1: joe ($9.65)
Seat 2: bob ($10.20)
seat 3: mike ($8.20)
Seat 4: john ($27.50)
Seat 5: abe ($5.15)
Seat 6: luke ($8.74)
Seat 7: josh ($3.12)
Seat 8: dan ($6.35)
Seat 9: hero($16)
dan posts the small blind of $0.05
hero posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [8d 7s]
joe calls $0.10
bob calls $0.10
mike folds
john folds
abe calls $0.10
luke calls $0.10
josh calls $0.10
dan calls $0.05
hero checks
*** FLOP *** [8h 8c 2s]
dan checks
hero bets $1.00
joe folds
bob folds
abe folds
luke raises to $7.74, and is all in
josh folds
dan folds
hero????


Also...
If this hand was exactly the same except with a straight/flush draw would I play any different?

[MJJ]

I call, if he has a bigger 8 (or pocket 2's) I give Luke my $8 if the board doesn't pair.
I think you will usually see an overpair from him here instead of a bigger 8.

If there is a straight and/or flush draw (as in 8s 8h 7h) I still call- at best he has a open ended str8 flush draw which is about 58% to hit str8 or fl but you are still over 50% to win the hand once you count your redraws (if the board pairs he only has 2 outs for a straight flush to win)

[MrDarling]

I fail to see how is this advance. You have no info or reads on villain. Its $10NL, he can do this with a small pair, with A2, with an over pair or with a better hand.

Against most unknown $10NL players its probably a call, since most will slow play trips or FH.

For a poker question to be advance in my opinion you have to have reads and history with villain. You need to know what he thinks about you and what he thinks you think about him.

No offense meant, we were all beginners in one time or another.

[Ensano]

this is never a fold... NEVER... this is one of the easiest calls i'd ever have to do..

limping OTB in a huge multiway pot means villian could have anything..

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 95.341% 94.63% 00.71% 1012722 7603.50 { 8d7s }
Hand 1: 04.659% 03.95% 00.71% 42261 7603.50 { random }

if we assume he'd have raised with the top 9 (TT+ AQ+)

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 95.346% 94.59% 00.75% 954252 7603.50 { 8d7s }
Hand 1: 04.654% 03.90% 00.75% 39351 7603.50 { 99-22, AJs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, AJo-A2o, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+, T2o+, 92o+, 82o+, 72o+, 62o+, 52o+, 42o+, 32o }

[blah730235]

Sorry I guess it should have gone in basic dicussion but this one said hand analysis in the title so i figured this was the right one.

Anyways I just wanted to make sure I made the right move. I ended up calling the guy and he turned over A8

[Ensano]

upon further reflextion his range is probably better given any pair and any 8...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.665% 33.58% 07.08% 120754878 25468905.50 { 8d7s }
Hand 1: 59.335% 52.25% 07.08% 187891151 25468905.50 { 99+, 77-22, A8s, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, 82s+, A8o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o, 98o, 82o+ }

[MJJ]

Guys-
No reason to rip blah, it's his first post and he's asking for advice- does it matter if it's in 'basic' or 'advanced'? If you don't want to answer a 'basic' question just surf past his post, there is no EV+ in ripping a new poster... Hopefully, he plays/posts for awhile, gets to be a good player, and makes the board a better place.
Just my .02

[MrDarling]

limping OTB in a huge multiway pot means villain could have anything..

The range you assign is still a little too wide.
I'd say chances villain is bluffing with air is about 10%. here I call air a hand like AK.
However there is a chance villain is value raising with worse :

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

105,930 games 0.005 secs 21,186,000 games/sec

Board: 8h 8c 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 72.193% 66.96% 05.23% 70935 5539.50 { 8d7s }
Hand 1: 27.807% 22.58% 05.23% 23916 5539.50 { 22+, AKs, A8s, A2s, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, 82s+, A8o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o, 98o, 86o+ }


btw, no one was bashing.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

Without reads, don't fold this at 10NL.