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3bet OOP against TAG?

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Postby kingetje » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:27 pm GMT

supafrey wrote:So is the fold only right if you think OP is tricky enough to call in pos with AA/AK?



hmm. but if hes tricky enough to call pre w AA/AK, hes probably able to raise this flop with draws/AJ/KQ? etc.
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Postby UrAteUp » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:11 pm GMT

I agree with Gumbie and Jernej here. I do not think folding is an option here. If anything I am going over the top here and doing a cr here.

If he pushes back then I set back and do some thinking before I act again...but I see this as an easy call or raise situation.
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:41 pm GMT

supafrey wrote:So is the fold only right if you think OP is tricky enough to call in pos with AA/AK?


The fold isn't right full stop imo
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Postby gumbie » Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:13 pm GMT

TBH I need to stop posting in these small stakes threads because I 'm probably giving bad advice.

Folding may be right here, but if it is, the 3-bet is wrong. I think 3-betting here may fold out all the hands you dominate and villain may cold call with all the hands that dominate you.

I really have no idea how nl50 plays :(
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Postby supafrey » Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:03 pm GMT

miaowmiaowchowface wrote:fairly easy fold unless he's capable of bluffing


miaowmiaowchowface wrote:The fold isn't right full stop imo



wait what
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:49 pm GMT

supafrey wrote:
miaowmiaowchowface wrote:fairly easy fold unless he's capable of bluffing


miaowmiaowchowface wrote:The fold isn't right full stop imo



wait what


hahaha

I have no idea how I got to these two completely diff. conclusions looking at it two seperate times, I guess must be mood(and lack of close attention)...

But what you said is actually right I guess including KK, but I don't think that's exactly "tricky" it's pretty std for most players some of the time

now I dont know what to do anymore though :( it's still probably a fold this is a bad board to bluffraise on
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Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:34 am GMT

Hands like this are exactly why I don't 3-bet AQ OOP. On more reflection, I hate the idea of 3-betting, hitting an Ace, and folding, but I also can't imagine what we're beating here except a total bluff from a guy who is "guessing" we have QQ.
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Postby golddog » Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:28 pm GMT

I think I was thinking was gumbie and Diamond have alluded to their last posts. (TBH, it's been a long weekend of travleing and drinking, so I'm a little fuzzy on what my question before meant).

But, what I think I was thinking was if you'd 3-bet preflop, why wouldn't you continue.

I think they take a better line though; 3-betting PF was probably where the issue occurred.
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:20 pm GMT

golddog wrote:I think I was thinking was gumbie and Diamond have alluded to their last posts. (TBH, it's been a long weekend of travleing and drinking, so I'm a little fuzzy on what my question before meant).

But, what I think I was thinking was if you'd 3-bet preflop, why wouldn't you continue.

I think they take a better line though; 3-betting PF was probably where the issue occurred.

this is not a solution, you'll become too transparent... I see no great issue with checkingthe flop tho
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Postby gumbie » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:48 am GMT

miaowmiaowchowface wrote:this is not a solution, you'll become too transparent... I see no great issue with checkingthe flop tho


Even if you're invisible 99% of ppl at nl50 won't be able to see through you.
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Postby mortaleclipse » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:55 pm GMT

I think I have lost more money in this spot then won by pounding the pot after the flop. Probably just me, but the biggest red on my graph is AQ OOP.
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:30 pm GMT

gumbie wrote:
miaowmiaowchowface wrote:this is not a solution, you'll become too transparent... I see no great issue with checkingthe flop tho


Even if you're invisible 99% of ppl at nl50 won't be able to see through you.

[x] lol'd

forgot about that
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Postby ErinJeff » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:56 pm GMT

mortaleclipse wrote:I think I have lost more money in this spot then won by pounding the pot after the flop. Probably just me, but the biggest red on my graph is AQ OOP.


Me too, and it's why I ask. AQ and AJ OOP are big losers for me. I like to play them aggressively, but my postflop OOP skillz just aren't up to it.

I, of course, folded like a nit and told myself he had AK :( Prior to this in recent months I've stacked off twice postflop on AKx with AQ OOP. Not a good show.
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