a business idea that i took a lot of flack for

[Ensano]

ok... I have this idea to start a small business that a bunch of people on IRC just outright called me an idiot for thinking...

it would be a grocery delivery company..
there are no other services of this kind in my city...
i live in northern ontario in a city of about 135k people...

it wouldn't be a large operation and would work out of 1 local grocery store..

it would be a weekly delivery which costs about 20$ or 10% of order on orders over a certain amount..

wouldn't be for spontanious orders (orders would be placed at least a day or 2 in advance)...

because of the higher charge customers would tend to place bigger orders to make it worth their while...

at least at first there wouldn't be a website (the cost of having someone design and build a fully functioning e-commerce website would be 3-5k)...

for newer customers a deposit would be required to help ensure customers are around for delivery...

deliveries would be done all in one day (sat or sun)... and be send out 2 at a time while the next 2 are being packed (this is to ensure orders don't sit in boxes all day)... also items that require it will be packed in coolers...

the city takes maybe 15-20 min to drive completely across so deliveries would be scheduled in 30 min blocks...

from the 20$ fee the costs are 7$ per delivery for the driver (driver will be subcontracting and responcible for their own gax/insurance/repairs/taxes) and 5-6$ for the sorter (me.. again also subcontracting if possible).. 7$ will be left over for fixed expenses...


thoughts... suggestions... potential problems are are welcomed...

if you're just going post 2 word insults without exlaining yourself or coming up with unrealistic situations for problems like catholics having a problem with it cause it'll interfere with church then keep them to yourself cause i'd rather you just sit around in your parents' basement smoking pot than hear pointless negativity...

[Ensano]

this convo lead to the post....



[16:42] <Ensano> do you have grocery deliver services in your area?
[16:46] <Ensano> http://interested-participant.blogspot. ... ghter.html
[16:48] <@pavhome> we had that green company for a few years
[16:48] <@pavhome> i forget what its' called
[16:48] <@pavhome> but they were too expensive and they failed
[16:48] <Ensano> cause me and my g/f are looking into starting one up here
[16:49] <Ensano> trying to get an idea of a price-point for the service
[16:49] <Ensano> we've already lined up a driver that will do it for 6-6.50 per delivery if we can give 2 del an hr
[16:49] <@pavhome> what was the big gompany called...
[16:49] <@pavhome> gateway?
[16:49] <Ensano> yeah i know the company you're talking about
[16:50] <@pavhome> http://www.grocerygateway.com/
[16:50] <Ensano> they had their own fleet of trucks and all odering was onnline and they had their own warehouse
[16:50] <@pavhome> it still exists
[16:50] <@pavhome> just not as publicized
[16:50] <@pavhome> but you'd haveta be somewhat comparable
[16:50] <Ensano> we're not thinking big like that
[16:50] <Ensano> we looking more personalized...
[16:50] <@pavhome> yeah but are you going to hookup with a discount grocer or are you just running a courier service
[16:51] <Ensano> no comp service
[16:51] <Ensano> would basically be right out of a local grocery store
[16:51] <@pavhome> yeah so a courier service
[16:51] <@pavhome> it'll fail
[16:51] <@pavhome> gas is too expensive
[16:51] <Ensano> kinda like the kid on the bike who delivers to the old lady
[16:51] <@pavhome> and there's a thousand delivery services in every town
[16:51] <Ensano> but a bit bigger
[16:51] <Ensano> only delivery services around here are for a few items
[16:52] <Ensano> like you need smokes or booze...
[16:52] <Ensano> maybe a jar of peanut butter...
[16:52] <Ensano> they charge 8$ +tax
[16:52] <Ensano> we're looking to be a large order deliverer
[16:53] <@pavhome> in what way are you better than grocerygateway?
[16:53] <Ensano> well for one we'll be the only one like it in 200 km
[16:54] <Ensano> i did some research and farthest north you can get a service like them is barrie
[16:54] <Ensano> granted they do have some niche carriers that work with the elderly
[16:55] <@pavhome> grocery gateway charges 10 bucks on any order and will deliver within a half hour window
[16:55] <@pavhome> with the entire selection of longo's shit at face value
[16:55] <@pavhome> seems like a tough competitor when gas is this expensive
[16:56] <Ensano> and one thing i was thinking to differentiate would be since we won't have an online ordering we set up our paper like kinda a meal planner
[16:56] <Ensano> yeah it does at 10$
[16:56] <Ensano> i was thinking of charging 20-25$ per deliver
[16:56] <Ensano> or 10% on any order over 300$
[16:57] <Ensano> out of that 6$ would go to the person packing up the order
[16:57] <Ensano> 6-7 would go to the driver
[16:58] <Ensano> would leave a net profit of 7$ per delivery (granted fixed expenses would come out of that)
[16:58] <Ensano> 7$/del... in an 8 hr day @ 2 del an hr would be ... $112 a day
[16:58] <Ensano> just for 1 driver and 1 sorter
[16:59] <Ensano> potential profits would be 2400$+ a month for a 5 day week
[17:00] <@pavhome> those numbers are completely wrong
[17:00] <Ensano> how so?
[17:00] <@pavhome> if you think someone is going to pay 20 bucks for 100 in groceries you're insane
[17:00] <Ensano> 8 hrs means 16 deliveries
[17:00] <Ensano> 7$/ del means 112 a day
[17:00] <Ensano> 5 working days a week
[17:01] <Ensano> means 560 a week
[17:01] <@pavhome> you've officially fallen in to the starlight coast world of mathematical predictions
[17:01] <Ensano> 52 weeks a year means 29120 a year
[17:01] <@pavhome> err you're ignoring the fundamental flaw?
[17:01] <Ensano> 12 months a year means 2400
[17:01] <@pavhome> 0 customers would pay 25 bucks?
[17:01] <Ensano> i know sustainable traffic
[17:01] <@pavhome> sustainable?
[17:01] <@pavhome> you're going to get 0
[17:02] <@pavhome> literally 0
[17:02] <Ensano> how so?
[17:02] <@boomking> 0 is easily sustainable imo
[17:02] <@pavhome> <@pavhome> if you think someone is going to pay 20 bucks for 100 in groceries you're insane
[17:02] <Ensano> i did a test before i got hurt
[17:02] <@pavhome> grocery gateway dropped a lot of value because people stopped paying 10 bucks because it was too much. and that's with tiny tiny tiny profit margins when you include gas + car maintenance
[17:02] <Ensano> i sent out flyers 1 day (about 50) and got 3-4 calls the next morning
[17:03] <Ensano> i wouldn't be using my own vehicle
[17:03] <Ensano> contract that out at 7$/del\
[17:03] <@pavhome> yeah how would those customers feel when every single one of them wants a delivery at exactly 5:30-6:30 after work before dinner and you have 1 car?
[17:03] <Ensano> they use own vehicle and pay own gas
[17:03] <Ensano> little thing calls scheduling
[17:03] <@pavhome> yeah sure
[17:03] <@pavhome> "give me 25 bucks and ill tell you when i will deliver it"
[17:04] <Ensano> the own idea is to have a regular clientelle
[17:04] <@pavhome> are you listening to yourself?
[17:04] <Ensano> yeah i am
[17:04] <@pavhome> grocery gateway has online scheduling down to the half hour
[17:04] <@pavhome> for 10 bucks
[17:04] <Ensano> yeah that's what we would do also
[17:04] <@pavhome> with a money back guarantee
[17:04] <Ensano> but there's also competition in the GTA market
[17:04] <Ensano> there isn't here
[17:04] <Ensano> and this is a much smaller city than TO
[17:04] <@pavhome> what happens when someone is unhappy with a bruised apple?
[17:05] <@pavhome> are you going to let them return it and refund?
[17:05] <@pavhome> because gateway does
[17:05] <Ensano> if there's a problem.. than it isn't a problem we'll take it back
[17:05] * RobotNixon (~zinn0@cpe-24-210-51-254.columbus.res.rr.com) has joined #THP
[17:05] * SX`away sets mode: +o RobotNixon
[17:05] <@pavhome> and do what with it?
[17:05] <@pavhome> lose the 5-40 bucks the item was worth?
[17:05] <Ensano> because we'll be operating out of a local store we can return it
[17:06] <@pavhome> you think local stores let you return bruised fruit?
[17:06] <Ensano> ?
[17:06] <@RobotNixon> hiiii
[17:06] <Ensano> yeah
[17:06] <Ensano> i've done it
[17:06] <@pavhome> yes but not 100 times for nitpicky customers
[17:06] <@pavhome> i dunno
[17:06] <Ensano> i went with a receip that had milk on it twice...
[17:06] <Ensano> receipt was for a week ago
[17:06] <@pavhome> if you want to do this, you better talk to a discount grocer in your area
[17:06] <Ensano> told them i only bought 1 and they refunded me
[17:06] <@pavhome> and negotiate some major deals
[17:07] <@pavhome> in return for continuous stream of customers
[17:07] <@pavhome> and i still think this is gonna fail horribly
[17:07] <Ensano> that's the plan
[17:07] <Ensano> but that's the thing... we don't have to be bug
[17:07] <Ensano> big*
[17:07] <@RobotNixon> I wish I had been here for the beginning of this convo
[17:07] <@pavhome> because you have absolutely no idea what the economy and gas prices are doing to food + delivert
[17:07] <Ensano> we're looking to start small
[17:07] <Ensano> 1 day...
[17:07] <@pavhome> you literally have no idea
[17:08] <Ensano> we're going to get 4-6 clients and just do that
[17:08] <@pavhome> lol okay ensano
[17:08] <Ensano> what
[17:08] <@pavhome> do whatever you want
[17:08] <@RobotNixon> ensano wants to start a food delivery business?
[17:08] <@pavhome> yes
[17:08] <Ensano> yeah
[17:08] <@pavhome> aaron
[17:08] <@RobotNixon> terrible idea
[17:08] <Ensano> why?
[17:08] <@RobotNixon> as pav mentioned, gas and food prices keep rising
[17:08] * @pavhome (supafrey@bas1-toronto61-1279436392.dsl.bell.ca) Quit (Excess Flood)
[17:08] <Ensano> yes... i don't buy in advance
[17:09] * pavhome (supafrey@bas1-toronto61-1279436392.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #THP
[17:09] <Ensano> i receive the order from the cx
[17:09] * SX`away sets mode: +o pavhome
[17:09] <@pavhome> wtf even pasting 30 lines in pm = flood?
[17:09] <@pavhome> gay
[17:09] <@x0jan1q> ummm, dont grocery stores already offer it
[17:09] <Ensano> i go to store and pay for it
[17:09] <@pavhome> i tried to update zinno on the story =(
[17:09] <@x0jan1q> theres no way they will pay your hourly + gas
[17:09] <@RobotNixon> grocery stores can offset the losses
[17:09] <Ensano> i don't deliver personally
[17:09] <@RobotNixon> a small operation is doomed to flop
[17:09] <@x0jan1q> then who does?
[17:09] <@x0jan1q> you are going to pay someone ?
[17:10] <Ensano> i've already locked down a driver that will do it for 7$ a delivery
[17:10] <@x0jan1q> you cant even make money if u do it yourself
[17:10] <@RobotNixon> have you looked into insurance ensano?
[17:10] <@pavhome> i'm pretty sure i've pointed out like 3-4 major flaws in your reasoning ensano
[17:10] <Ensano> insurance for what?
[17:10] <@x0jan1q> you have to advertise
[17:10] <@pavhome> lol he forgets that businesses pay insurance
[17:10] <@pavhome> worker's comp?
[17:10] <@x0jan1q> if you are paying for him, you are paying for any accident he gets into
[17:10] <Ensano> for who?
[17:10] <@pavhome> unless you're running this whole thing illegally?
[17:10] <@pavhome> your drivers?
[17:10] <Ensano> drivers are subcontractors
[17:11] <@RobotNixon> doesn't matter
[17:11] <@RobotNixon> the business must have insurance
[17:11] <Ensano> subcontractors are responcible for all their own insurances and comps
[17:11] <@x0jan1q> you arent subcontracting imo
[17:11] <@RobotNixon> you are paying him per delivery
[17:11] <@pavhome> pizza delivery services get away with it because it's illegal
[17:11] <@RobotNixon> he is an employee, regardless of how you word it
[17:11] <@pavhome> but you're a business devoted specifically to drivers
[17:11] <@pavhome> you have to get them insurance
[17:11] <@pavhome> and prolly pensions
[17:11] <@pavhome> CPP ?
[17:11] <@pavhome> ever hear of that?
[17:11] <Ensano> contractors
[17:12] <Ensano> they have to pay their own taxes
[17:12] <@pavhome> every time my dad pays 10 bucks for a stock boy he ends up paying another 5-6 dollars for their plans
[17:12] <Ensano> if they don't claim and don't pay...
[17:12] <@pavhome> are you just pulling this entirely out of your ass joe
[17:12] <@pavhome> ?
[17:12] <@RobotNixon> and what happens if he crashes and maims someone during the course of one of your deliveries?
[17:12] <Ensano> woah settle down there...
[17:12] <@pavhome> unless they're driving unmarked cars?
[17:12] <Ensano> listen... i've worked as a subcontractor and as a contractor
[17:13] <@pavhome> congratulations
[17:13] <@pavhome> i promise you grocerygateway can't call their drives subcontractors
[17:13] <@pavhome> lol
[17:13] <@x0jan1q> ok, but even if you can do this how you want
[17:13] <@x0jan1q> you still arent making money, rofl
[17:13] <Ensano> if you're fixing your house and hire someone to do it you aren't responcible for them
[17:13] <Ensano> yeah... delivery charge is 20$
[17:13] <@x0jan1q> best case scenario: you dont make money, worst case scenario: prison/sued
[17:13] <Ensano> 7$ goes to driver
[17:13] <Ensano> 6$ goes to sorter
[17:14] <Ensano> 7$ left over for fixed expenses
[17:14] <@pavhome> like i said
[17:14] <@RobotNixon> will they be driving a vehicle you own?
[17:14] <Ensano> no
[17:14] <@pavhome> the starlight coast school of mathematical predictions
[17:14] <@x0jan1q> so ur buddy, is gonna sit at home waiting for an order?
[17:14] <@x0jan1q> all day every day
[17:14] <Ensano> no
[17:14] <@x0jan1q> ?
[17:15] <Ensano> basically someone calls me and wants to get their groceries delivered regularly...
[17:15] <@pavhome> what if they don't want it regularly
[17:15] <@RobotNixon> wha happens when the subcontractor realizes he can cut you out of the equation and make a lot more money?
[17:15] <@x0jan1q> $7 to driver, 6$ sorter, $3 gas... leaves you with nothing for advertising and insurance
[17:15] <Ensano> i tell them it's a 20$ charge and that deliveries are done on sundays
[17:15] <@pavhome> LOL
[17:15] <@pavhome> "deliveries are done on sundays"
[17:15] <@pavhome> LOLOLOLOLOLOL
[17:15] <@x0jan1q> dude, theres already companies that do it for less
[17:15] <Ensano> no.. i don't opay gas
[17:15] <@x0jan1q> and can get it delivered any time
[17:15] <@x0jan1q> why the f*ck would they pay u
[17:15] <@pavhome> DELIVERIES ARE DONE ON SUNDAYS? LOL!
[17:15] <Ensano> where do you live?
[17:15] <@pavhome> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
[17:16] <@RobotNixon> please don't invest a lot of money in this venture...please
[17:16] <Ensano> seriously... where do you live?
[17:16] <@RobotNixon> who
[17:16] <@pavhome> i couldn't imagine what i would say if a company told me they could only deliver my weeks groceries one day a week...
[17:16] <Ensano> i live in northern ontario and there's no service that does this within 200 km
[17:16] <@pavhome> it's not like i want.. lettuce
[17:16] <@pavhome> or any other producre
[17:16] <@pavhome> that only lasts like 3 days
[17:17] <@x0jan1q> what happens when ur buddy wants to go out and party
[17:17] <Ensano> uhh.. pav... hate to break it to you buddy but lots of people only do groceries once a week
[17:17] <Ensano> it's called finding responcible people to work for you
[17:17] <@x0jan1q> for $7?
[17:17] <@x0jan1q> lol
[17:17] <@pavhome> [17:18] <Ensano> uhh.. pav... hate to break it to you buddy but lots of people only do groceries once a week
[17:17] <@pavhome> do they pay for it?
[17:17] <Ensano> 7$ but 2 deliveries an hr
[17:17] <@pavhome> no
[17:17] <@pavhome> idiot
[17:17] <@x0jan1q> who the fk is going to sit at home all day hoping to make $7
[17:17] <@RobotNixon> but they only have to work one day a week
[17:17] <@RobotNixon> ONE DAY!
[17:17] <@x0jan1q> HES NOT GOING TO BE DELIVERING 2/HR
[17:17] <Ensano> ? what sitting around...
[17:18] <@x0jan1q> u think ur business is just going to explode from the get go?
[17:18] <Ensano> i live in a small city that you can drive ACROSS in 15 min
[17:18] <Ensano> no
[17:18] <@x0jan1q> small city = not a lot of ppl paying for ur service
[17:18] <Ensano> i dont' think it'll explode
[17:18] <Ensano> 135k
[17:18] <@pavhome> what about the first few months where you're making a guy spend an entire day at home to maybe get 2 deliveries total?
[17:18] <@pavhome> for free?
[17:18] <Ensano> enough people so have 10 willing to pay
[17:19] <@x0jan1q> ?!!?!?
[17:19] <@x0jan1q> 10 willing to pay?
[17:19] <@pavhome> you should make a thread about this so that we can mock you publically
[17:19] <@RobotNixon> if you have a customer base of 10 starting out, you are only going to bring in ~$200 per week, assuming every custoemr uses you every week
[17:19] <Ensano> no... because all deliveries will be booked prior... they'd know how many del they're going to get well before
[17:19] <@x0jan1q> lol
[17:19] <Ensano> yeah... why not nixon?
[17:20] <@x0jan1q> no one is going to call u up a week ahead of time
[17:20] <@RobotNixon> wtf kind of business survives on 200/wk
[17:20] <Ensano> i'm in school for 2 more years... why not have an extra 200$ a week coming in?
[17:20] <@pavhome> 200 a week - sorter + driver fees
[17:20] <@RobotNixon> exactly
[17:21] <@pavhome> so really like .. 40 bucks a week
[17:21] <@RobotNixon> lool
[17:21] <Ensano> yeah... 200- 70 driver - 60 sorter
[17:21] <@x0jan1q> BEST CASE (impossible) SCENARIO: you make a hundred bucks a month while spending a shit load of hours... WORST CASE SCENARIO: throw away money, time, chance at getting sued/prison time
[17:21] <@pavhome> 70 bucks a week
[17:21] <Ensano> what money?
[17:21] <@RobotNixon> -ev imo
[17:21] <Ensano> i don't need to invest money
[17:21] <@x0jan1q> really?
[17:21] <@x0jan1q> how are you going to advertise
[17:21] <@pavhome> a business license?
[17:21] <Ensano> if i can keep an 8 hr day thats' 16 del
[17:21] <@pavhome> A BUSINESS LICENSE?
[17:21] <@RobotNixon> time=money my friend
[17:21] <@pavhome> DO YOU HAVE ONE?
[17:21] <@pavhome> DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH ONE COSTS?
[17:21] <Ensano> no liscense if make less than 30k a year
[17:21] <@x0jan1q> are you going to have a website?
[17:22] <@x0jan1q> whos going to take the phone calls
[17:22] <@x0jan1q> you have to be available 24/7
[17:22] <Ensano> no need for a website unless you're going to have an e-commerse site
[17:22] <@pavhome> this is embarassing
[17:22] <@RobotNixon> omg
[17:22] <@x0jan1q> lol, i wouldnt do business with a company that doesnt even have a fkn website
[17:22] <@RobotNixon> no shit
[17:22] <@pavhome> you know like those super awkward tv sitcoms where something awkward happens and you have to change the channel?
[17:22] <Ensano> and as for advertising you don't need to shoot for the moon
[17:23] <@pavhome> this is like that
[17:23] <Ensano> fliers...
[17:23] <@pavhome> i am physically uncomfortable having this discussion
[17:23] <@RobotNixon> I'm sad that I came in here today
[17:23] <@x0jan1q> fliers cost $$
[17:23] <@x0jan1q> and arent very effective
[17:23] <@x0jan1q> youre going to need to print a shit load
[17:23] <@pavhome> and deliver them..
[17:23] <@x0jan1q> design em
[17:23] <Ensano> copier place down the stree charges .05$ a sheet...
[17:23] <@RobotNixon> please copy/paste this into the forum
[17:23] <@pavhome> or pay an envelope stuffer?
[17:24] <@x0jan1q> time time time, $ $ $
[17:24] <@x0jan1q> and you arent making any money
[17:24] <@x0jan1q> lol
[17:24] <@x0jan1q> do you even know your driver's geographical limits?
[17:24] <Ensano> yes
[17:24] <@x0jan1q> i wouldnt trust a moron that will take $7 to spend 30 minutes + gas
[17:25] <Ensano> and you're also forgetting that i would be the sorter...
[17:25] <@x0jan1q> why cant he work at mcdonalds
[17:25] <Ensano> so that 6$ would stay with me
[17:25] <@RobotNixon> so you are going to open a business where you pay yourself $6 per job?
[17:25] <@x0jan1q> so youre happy making like $20 a week max?
[17:25] <Ensano> cause a lot of people just refuse to
[17:25] <@x0jan1q> while working 20+ hours
[17:25] <Ensano> 8 hr day means 16 del
[17:25] <@x0jan1q> $1/hr = the nuts imo
[17:25] <@x0jan1q> i'd be surprised if you can even make $1/hr
[17:26] <Ensano> why
[17:26] <@RobotNixon> you said yourself you only have 10 customers
[17:26] <@x0jan1q> oh, only for the millions reasons 3 ppl listed
[17:26] <Ensano> i said with 135k peopel it wouldn't be hard to find 10 cx
[17:26] <Ensano> people*
[17:27] <@RobotNixon> it's harder than you think
[17:27] <Ensano> hypothetical here for a second...
[17:27] <Ensano> assume for 1 min that i found 16 regular cx
[17:27] <@pavhome> hahahah
[17:27] <Ensano> charged them 20$ each for the service
[17:27] * @pavhome waits for starlight's formula
[17:27] <Ensano> paid 7$ for driver
[17:28] * @pavhome eats popcorn
[17:28] <Ensano> how would i be making 1$/hr?
[17:28] <@pavhome> this is like when starlight didn't understand that gas + hotels also had to be included into his poker calculations
[17:28] <@RobotNixon> fine, you make $6 per job...where does the business profit tho?
[17:28] <@pavhome> "wait i can't just sit there and play for 20 hours a day, every day, forever?"
[17:28] <Ensano> 6$ per job goes to my pocket
[17:28] <Ensano> 7$ per job goes to business
[17:29] <Ensano> 8hrs once a week isn't that hard pav
[17:29] <@RobotNixon> when does this business go live?
[17:29] <@RobotNixon> you think you can just show up on sundays and bang it out
[17:29] <Ensano> it's still in the thought process right now
[17:29] <@RobotNixon> it doesn't work like that in the real world
[17:30] <@RobotNixon> you need to sit down and write a business plan
[17:30] <@x0jan1q> and why are u trusting a complete moron to drive + deliver groceries?
[17:30] <@RobotNixon> and once you have it all out on paper, you will realize what a terrible idea this is
[17:30] <@RobotNixon> there are untold upfront costs that you fail to recognize
[17:30] <Ensano> how is it so terrible?
[17:30] <@RobotNixon> there are untold upfront costs that you fail to recognize
[17:31] <Ensano> like
[17:31] <@x0jan1q> you have to organize the lists, shop, sort
[17:31] <@x0jan1q> but ur also taking orders
[17:31] <@x0jan1q> and advertising
[17:31] <Ensano> order are done the week prior
[17:31] <@x0jan1q> you will be spending more than 8 hours a week
[17:31] <Ensano> guaranteed more than 8 hrs
[17:31] <@x0jan1q> lol, that doesnt matter, DUCY
[17:31] <@x0jan1q> [02:32] <Ensano> order are done the week prior
[17:31] <@RobotNixon> what happens if you get a call on sat for a delivery the next day?
[17:31] <@x0jan1q> jeezus christ
[17:31] <@x0jan1q> thats the most retarded thing ever
[17:31] <@x0jan1q> [02:32] <Ensano> order are done the week prior
[17:31] <@x0jan1q> ROFL
[17:32] <Ensano> why rofl?
[17:32] <@x0jan1q> because im counting your weekly hours
[17:32] <@RobotNixon> what happens if you get a call on sat for a delivery the next day?
[17:32] <@x0jan1q> and you just said the orders are done the week prior
[17:32] <Ensano> depends
[17:32] <@x0jan1q> what about next weeks orders?
[17:32] <@x0jan1q> YOURE STILL DOING ORDERS DURING THE WEEK
[17:32] <@x0jan1q> lmao
[17:32] <@RobotNixon> YOU WILL DENY A POTENTIAL CUSTOMER THIS GREAT SERVICE?
[17:32] <Ensano> no... like mon -fri people are sending in the list for what they want delivered on sun
[17:33] <@x0jan1q> and who is taking the order and organizing everything
[17:33] <@x0jan1q> YOU
[17:33] <Ensano> if someone calls on sat to change taht they wanted jam instead of peanut butter then thats a no brainer... but if a completely new cx wants to order then they'll have to wait
[17:34] <@x0jan1q> why will they have to wait
[17:34] <Ensano> yeah so i take order and organize?
[17:34] <Ensano> because it's too short of a notice
[17:34] <@RobotNixon> so you will make an additional trip to the store for the customer at no charge?
[17:34] <@x0jan1q> how is it too short of a notice?
[17:34] <Ensano> ?
[17:34] <@x0jan1q> you havent gone to the store yet
[17:35] <Ensano> doesn't matter if i haven't gone yet... there's planning involved.. but if they like i can deliver next sun at a certain time
[17:35] <@x0jan1q> ....
[17:35] <@pavhome> wo
[17:35] <@pavhome> wow
[17:35] <@pavhome> just
[17:35] <@pavhome> wow
[17:35] <@x0jan1q> its saturday
[17:35] <@pavhome> you actually think you're doing people a favour
[17:35] <@x0jan1q> and you have a whole day and a half to plan
[17:35] <@pavhome> to charge them 20%+ extra on their groceries
[17:35] <@pavhome> deliver it whenever you want
[17:35] <@pavhome> with no gaurantees
[17:35] <@pavhome> and no real customer service
[17:35] <@x0jan1q> how are you going to keep the produce fresh?
[17:35] <@pavhome> this is embarassing
[17:36] <@x0jan1q> are u going to be sitting inside a grocery store all sunday?
[17:36] <@pavhome> i'm just going to pretend this is BBV
[17:36] * pavhome is now known as BBVer
[17:36] <Ensano> items are packed into containers and item that require it will be stored in coolers
[17:36] <@BBVer> Go for it!
[17:36] <@RobotNixon> each time ensano writes something else I hear kiff from futurama sighing
[17:36] <@BBVer> this is a great idea
[17:36] <@BBVer> do you own coolers?
[17:36] <@BBVer> are you going to buy them?
[17:36] <@BBVer> f*ck it
[17:36] <@BBVer> just put it in the trunk!
[17:36] <@BBVer> and then deliver 16 deliveries
[17:36] <@BBVer> in different parts of the city
[17:36] <@BBVer> without going back to the store
[17:36] <@BBVer> it's not like grocery gateway has full sized insulated cube vans
[17:36] <Ensano> that's not what going to happen pav
[17:37] <@x0jan1q> pav, when deciding how many hours you are going to work a week, don't include the time it takes to plan/organize the orders, because that's done the previous week!
[17:37] <@BBVer> that are basically a giant thermos
[17:37] <@x0jan1q> he's only working 2 hours/week in reality!~
[17:37] <Ensano> but there is no grocery gateway pav... you're fogetting that
[17:37] <@BBVer> yes but you're forgetting
[17:37] <@BBVer> that the groceries can't handle
[17:37] <@BBVer> sitting int he back of a pinto
[17:37] <@BBVer> for 20 hours
[17:37] <@x0jan1q> what are the big grocery stores in your city ensano?
[17:37] <Ensano> they wouldn't
[17:37] <Ensano> superstore
[17:37] <Ensano> independant
[17:37] <Ensano> A&P
[17:37] <Ensano> food basics
[17:37] <Ensano> no frills
[17:38] <Ensano> and a couple others i can't think of
[17:38] <@x0jan1q> what city do u live in
[17:38] <Ensano> sudbury
[17:38] <Ensano> ontario
[17:39] <Ensano> basically it'd work like this pav... i'd set up 2 orders... driver would go out
[17:39] <Ensano> while driver is gone i'd be packing the next 2
[17:39] <@x0jan1q> so youre going to buy everything at once
[17:39] <Ensano> driver comes back... load up again... pack next 2... and so on
[17:39] <@x0jan1q> and let it rot
[17:39] <Ensano> no
[17:39] <@RobotNixon> why not pack as many as possible to increase efficiency?
[17:40] <@BBVer> nixon: that requires vans
[17:40] <@BBVer> fridge vans
[17:40] <Ensano> then you have to worry about cooling/warming and rottin
[17:40] <@BBVer> not like... those tiny coolers we bring to the beach
[17:40] <@BBVer> you also forget
[17:40] <@BBVer> that these people are gonna order
[17:40] <@BBVer> 200 bucks worth of food
[17:40] <Ensano> yeah
[17:40] <@BBVer> to make the delivery worth it
[17:40] <Ensano> exactly
[17:40] <@BBVer> do you have 1500 worth of food space
[17:40] <@RobotNixon> lol
[17:40] <@BBVer> in your house?
[17:40] <@RobotNixon> I do
[17:40] <Ensano> at my house?
[17:40] <@BBVer> in your fridges?
[17:40] <Ensano> oh... yeah i do
[17:40] <@RobotNixon> yes
[17:40] <@BBVer> or are you gonna spend all day packing at teh grocery store?
[17:41] <@BBVer> err.. no you dont?
[17:41] <Ensano> 8 hrs
[17:41] <@BBVer> a box of burgers takes up a couple feet of space
[17:41] <Ensano> you don't think i can store 200$ in groceries?
[17:41] <@BBVer> and costs 10 bucks
[17:41] <@RobotNixon> what happens if you work over 8 hours?
[17:41] <Ensano> lol.. a box of burgers taking 2 quare feet?
[17:41] <@BBVer> 150 boxes of burgers
[17:41] <@BBVer> you have room?
[17:41] <@BBVer> not to mention lettuce
[17:41] <Ensano> i've worked 15$ days before pav... i can handle a 9 hr day once and a while
[17:42] <@BBVer> which costs 50 cents
[17:42] <@BBVer> and takes up a foot of space
[17:42] <@BBVer> and needs very specific refrigiration
[17:42] <@BBVer> and packaging
[17:42] <@BBVer> does your driver have a cube van atleast?
[17:42] <@BBVer> or .. a car?
[17:42] <@RobotNixon> rickshaw
[17:42] <Ensano> because items will be taken off grocery store shelves only a very short amount of time before delivery it wouldn't be any different than
[17:42] <@BBVer> and does he realize the damage that groceries do to his car?
[17:43] <@BBVer> because he doesn't understand that part yet
[17:43] <@BBVer> but he will after 1 week
[17:43] <Ensano> you doing your groceries then stopping for gas on your way out
[17:43] <@BBVer> of throwing boxes in and out of the trunk
[17:43] <@BBVer> and seeing about 100000 scratches and scuffs on his car
[17:43] <Ensano> then hitting a different store to get a sale item before heading home
[17:43] <@BBVer> my dad bought a second minivan
[17:43] <@BBVer> and took out the back 5 seats
[17:43] <@RobotNixon> fuel is going to kill you
[17:43] <@BBVer> just to occasionally deliver from his deli
[17:43] <@BBVer> and the entire car is destroyed
[17:43] <@BBVer> and he's a careful 50 year old mana
[17:43] <@BBVer> taking car of his car
[17:43] <@BBVer> not a 7 buck an hour shlub
[17:44] <Ensano> i understand that the delivery business is very hard on a vehicle
[17:44] <@BBVer> yes but does your driver?
[17:44] <@BBVer> does he realize his camry isnt going to cut it?
[17:44] <Ensano> they're already a delivery driver
[17:44] <@BBVer> .. pizza?
[17:44] <Ensano> used to be
[17:44] <@RobotNixon> stoner?
[17:44] <@BBVer> private fed ex courier?
[17:44] <@BBVer> ....
[17:44] <Ensano> but now they work at
[17:45] <Ensano> one of those quick delivery places...
[17:45] <@BBVer> ??? a courier?
[17:45] <Ensano> like if you need booze but don't have a ride.. or are dying for smokes
[17:45] <@BBVer> they're called couriers
[17:45] <@x0jan1q> so hes willing to make $6/hr (thats once business gets going) while destroying his own car
[17:45] <@BBVer> ah
[17:45] <@x0jan1q> WHY WOULD U TRUST SUCH A MORON
[17:45] <Ensano> 7$/delivery
[17:45] <@BBVer> so he's used to putting in 2 brown bags of groceries
[17:45] <Ensano> 14$/hr
[17:45] <@BBVer> into his car
[17:45] <@x0jan1q> ensano
[17:45] <@BBVer> not 8 crates of oranges and onions
[17:45] <@x0jan1q> he has to pay for gas
[17:45] <@x0jan1q> and 2/hr is being wishful
[17:45] <Ensano> yes
[17:46] <@RobotNixon> let me restate what a terrible idea this is
[17:46] <@x0jan1q> he's wearing out his brakes, putting miles on the engine, going to need more oil changes, etc
[17:46] <@BBVer> hahaha
[17:46] <@x0jan1q> all for hopes of $6/hr
[17:46] <Ensano> ?
[17:46] <@BBVer> THE INSIDE OF HIS CAR WILL LOOK LIKE A f*cking TORNADO WENT THROUGH IT
[17:46] <@BBVer> LISTEN TO ME AND STOP BEING DENSE
[17:46] <Ensano> 13$ per delivery
[17:46] <Ensano> 26$/hr
[17:46] <@x0jan1q> you are trusting a complete dufus to run ur business
[17:46] <@RobotNixon> and smell like hummus
[17:46] <@BBVer> my dad destroyed an entire chrysler town and country minivan
[17:46] <@x0jan1q> HES NOT MAKING 26/HR
[17:46] <@x0jan1q> you moron
[17:46] <@BBVer> delivering twice a day for the past 6 yeras
[17:47] <@RobotNixon> the money you make and the money the business makes should be considered seperate?
[17:47] <@BBVer> that's a minivan
[17:47] <@BBVer> with a plastic liner
[17:47] <@x0jan1q> and what happens if business gets really good... youre going to turn down customers?
[17:47] <Ensano> i know they're seperate
[17:47] <Ensano> i'd be willing to turn down customers
[17:47] <@RobotNixon> so then you aren't making 26/hr
[17:47] <Ensano> or maybe deliver sat and sun
[17:48] <@BBVer> NOBODY WANTS FOOD DELIVERED ON SUNDAY GOD DAMNIT WHY ARENT YOU LISTENING
[17:48] <Ensano> what?
[17:48] <@BBVer> ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE GETTING GOUGED
[17:48] <@RobotNixon> they will if they want this fine service
[17:48] <Ensano> have you gone to a grocery store on sunday pav?
[17:48] <@x0jan1q> ok so u turn down a customer that was ur customer for 5 months
[17:48] <@x0jan1q> the new customer u took on ends up only using ur service once
[17:48] <@x0jan1q> good job
[17:48] <@BBVer> WHY THE f*ck WOULD I PAY 30 BUCKS TO HAVE SOMEONE TELL ME WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR f*cking JOB
[17:48] <Ensano> ?
[17:48] <Ensano> no i would turn down the new customer
[17:48] <@BBVer> do i not want lettuce on thursdays?!
[17:49] <Ensano> 20$ pav
[17:49] <@RobotNixon> so you won't grow your business
[17:49] <@RobotNixon> sounds like a winner
[17:49] <@x0jan1q> the new customer placed his order on monday
[17:49] <@x0jan1q> the returning customer placed the order on friday
[17:49] <Ensano> first off.. you said i would have a hard time filling one day
[17:49] <@BBVer> and believe it or not
[17:49] <@BBVer> people don't want their deliveries throughout the day on sunday
[17:49] <@BBVer> when they're at church until 1
[17:49] * @Misterjokerboy (~Misterjok@91.84.70.19) Quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client)
[17:49] <@BBVer> and every catholic has a big sunday lunch
[17:49] <@BBVer> until 4 pm
[17:49] <@RobotNixon> when thinking about a new business, you have to look at it from all angles, no matter how absurd it might seem
[17:50] <Ensano> i know...
[17:50] <@RobotNixon> like, lots of customers
[17:50] <Ensano> what i would do
[17:50] <@BBVer> everyone you talk to
[17:50] <@BBVer> is going to want a delivery
[17:50] <Ensano> i dedicate one day for deliveries so driver doesn't sit on his hands waiting around
[17:50] <@BBVer> at a very specific 2 hour slot
[17:50] <@BBVer> and they're gonna tell you to f*ck off
[17:50] <@BBVer> when you tell them you're busy
[17:50] <@RobotNixon> ^
[17:51] <@BBVer> im not sure what it is on sunday
[17:51] <Ensano> if i fill that day and still had a huge demand i would consider adding another day but not until i had a few people waiting...
[17:51] <@BBVer> i'm guessing the first one at noon - 2 and then another at 5-8
[17:51] <@BBVer> and never outside of that
[17:51] <@BBVer> nobody wants a delivery at 11 am
[17:51] <@BBVer> or 9 pm
[17:51] <@BBVer> or 4 pm
[17:51] <@BBVer> noone
[17:51] <@BBVer> period
[17:51] <@x0jan1q> ensano
[17:51] <@x0jan1q> u just lost a shit load of customers
[17:51] <@x0jan1q> gj
[17:52] <Ensano> pav... there's people at the grocery store from the first hour it opens to the minute they locke the doors
[17:52] <@x0jan1q> great business plan
[17:52] <@BBVer> [17:53] <Ensano> pav... there's people at the grocery store from the first hour it opens to the minute they locke the doors
[17:52] <@BBVer> how many of them paid admission?
[17:52] <Ensano> sobeys used to be 24 hrs and there'd be at least 5 people at any given time in the store 24/7
[17:52] <@RobotNixon> this isn't serious, right?
[17:52] <@BBVer> yes
[17:52] <@BBVer> there would be 5 people
[17:52] <@BBVer> in it 24/7
[17:52] <@BBVer> in a town of 100k
[17:52] <@BBVer> i believe you
[17:52] <@x0jan1q> and they are buying like 2 items
[17:52] <Ensano> it was in north bay
[17:52] <@RobotNixon> you guys decided to just f*ck with the next guy who joined the channel, right?
[17:52] <@x0jan1q> they arent going to pay u $20 to deliver 2 items
[17:52] <Ensano> no
[17:53] <@BBVer> they are buying chips and pop
[17:53] <@BBVer> because they are high
[17:53] <@BBVer> like me and my friends do
[17:53] <Ensano> there are services that deliver 2 items
[17:53] <@BBVer> when we wander Dominion at 2 am
[17:53] <Ensano> people will pay 20$ to have 200$ in groceries delivered to them
[17:53] <@BBVer> so you want large families
[17:53] <@BBVer> that for some reason have tons of free time
[17:53] <@BBVer> whenever you tell them
[17:53] <@BBVer> don't go to church
[17:53] <Ensano> working families
[17:53] <@RobotNixon> how many people spend $200 at the store when they go
[17:53] <@BBVer> and are free all day every day
[17:54] <Ensano> old people without vehicles ( i know old people will complain more than not)
[17:54] <@RobotNixon> sure the store is full, but very few people spend a lot of money
[17:54] <@BBVer> old people love overpaying for things
[17:54] * @BBVer laughsa
[17:54] <@x0jan1q> old ppl already have arrangements
[17:54] <@RobotNixon> old people will tell you to f*ck right off
[17:54] <@x0jan1q> u think gramps has survived without anyone delivering groceries to him?
[17:54] <@x0jan1q> for 20 years
[17:54] <@x0jan1q> rofl
[17:54] <@BBVer> grandma clips coupons to save 20 cents on panty lniers
[17:55] <@BBVer> and gets all her food on sunday anyways
[17:55] <@x0jan1q> ensano- how are u collecting money?
[17:55] <@BBVer> because the family delivers them groceries on sunday
[17:55] <@BBVer> after they all go to church
[17:55] <@x0jan1q> what happens when u show up to their door and they arent home or they say "i dont want this anymore"
[17:55] <Ensano> all apps will be given a 30min -1 hr window pav...
[17:55] <@x0jan1q> there goes your monthly profit, ROFL
[17:56] <Ensano> true... someone doing that could f*ck things up...
[17:56] <Ensano> there are ways around that though
[17:56] <@x0jan1q> what ways
[17:56] <Ensano> 100$ dep
[17:56] <@RobotNixon> lol
[17:56] <@x0jan1q> .....
[17:56] <@RobotNixon> lofl
[17:56] <Ensano> paying in advance
[17:56] <@x0jan1q> im going to trust some kid in a beater with $100
[17:56] <Ensano> ?
[17:56] <Ensano> what's funny?
[17:56] <@RobotNixon> this is officially the most retarded thing I've heard in my life
[17:56] <Ensano> you've never paid a deposit on anything?
[17:56] <@x0jan1q> how are u collecting the deposit?
[17:56] <@x0jan1q> youre going to drive to their house a week before delivery?
[17:56] <Ensano> how do i collect the order?
[17:56] <@x0jan1q> they phone it in
[17:57] <@x0jan1q> they cant phone $100 in
[17:57] <Ensano> you think i'm going to sit there and have someone list a 200$ grocery order to me?
[17:57] <@x0jan1q> .......
[17:57] <@x0jan1q> so how are u taking orders?
[17:57] <@x0jan1q> ROFL
[17:57] <@x0jan1q> you dont have a website
[17:57] <@RobotNixon> so you want someone to prepay you to pick up their groceries, and you want someone else to deliver them in a car that you don't own
[17:57] <Ensano> email... fax... i can pick them up
[17:57] <Ensano> i can pick up a check...
[17:58] <@x0jan1q> so youre flyer is going to say "WE CAN DRIVE TO PICK UP UR ODER, BUT U HAVE TO GIVE US $100 AND WAIT UNTIL SUNDAY"
[17:58] <@RobotNixon> why don't you just stand in the store parking lot and shake people down
[17:58] <@x0jan1q> "OR YOU CAN EMAIL ENSANO@HOTMAIL.COM"
[17:58] <@x0jan1q> REAL PROFESSIONAL
[17:58] <@x0jan1q> rofl
[17:58] <@BBVer> OH AND PLEASE EMAIL ME A LIST OF STUFF THAT YOU WANT
[17:58] <Ensano> the whole point of the business is to get a regular clientelle
[17:58] <Ensano> a regular cx you don't have to worry that much about
[17:58] <@BBVer> I DONT HAVE SPECIALS OR A REGULAR STORE OR A FLIER SO JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT AND ILL SEE IF I CAN FIND FOOD THATS SORT OF LIKE THAT
[17:58] <@x0jan1q> "WE CAN DRIVE TO PICK UP UR ODER, BUT U HAVE TO GIVE US $100 AND WAIT UNTIL SUNDAY FOR THE FOOD"
[17:58] <@x0jan1q> "WE CAN DRIVE TO PICK UP UR ODER, BUT U HAVE TO GIVE US $100 AND WAIT UNTIL SUNDAY FOR THE FOOD"
[17:58] <@x0jan1q> roffffffl
[17:59] <@RobotNixon> old folk definitely won't be using this service
[17:59] <@RobotNixon> you'll be on the news for scamming
[17:59] <@RobotNixon> is Gid in on this venture?
[17:59] <Ensano> lol
[17:59] <@BBVer> OH AND GIVE ME A HUNDRED BUCKS, IN CASE YOU DONT LIKE THE QUALITY OF THE FOOD WE DELIVER AND THEN WE CAN TELL YOU TO GO f*ck YOURSELVES AND JUST STEAL YOUR DEPOSIT TO PAY FOR THE BRUISED APPLES YOU DONT WANT
[17:59] <@BBVer> BECAUSE THIS IS HOW COMMERCE WORKS IN A SMALL TOWN WHERE THE ONLY REAL ADVERTISING IS WORD OF MOUTH
[18:00] <Ensano> ok... how about this...
[18:00] <Ensano> a roleplay...
[18:00] <Ensano> you're a cx calling...
[18:01] <@x0jan1q> deliver furries now?
[18:01] <Ensano> I'm sorry sir but we don't do sameday deliveries
[18:01] <@x0jan1q> wait
[18:01] <@x0jan1q> why am i calling
[18:01] <@x0jan1q> when u dont take orders over the phone
[18:01] <Ensano> if you like i can set up a delivery date for you this sunday
[18:01] <@x0jan1q> ?!
[18:01] <@RobotNixon> and they would tell you to get f*cked because they need food for tonight
[18:01] <@x0jan1q> stop making up both parties, moron
[18:01] <@x0jan1q> ill be the customer
[18:01] <Ensano> well no we dont' take orders over the phone.. but you can email or fax them...
[18:01] <@x0jan1q> can i call you?
[18:01] <@RobotNixon> I WANT MY f*ck STEAK NOW DAMMIT
[18:02] <@RobotNixon> you dopn't have a f*cking website
[18:02] <@x0jan1q> thats ok, email em to ensano@hotmail.com
[18:02] <@x0jan1q> wait
[18:02] <@RobotNixon> how the f*ck they gonna email
[18:02] <Ensano> kk... start over... 1!!! of you be a cx..
[18:02] <@x0jan1q> sudburydeliveries@yahoo.com
[18:02] <@x0jan1q> so professional
[18:02] <@x0jan1q> me
[18:02] <@x0jan1q> RING RING
[18:02] <Ensano> and wait for a responce can i can only type so fast
[18:02] <@x0jan1q> RING RING
[18:02] <Ensano> tello... Ensano delivery( not real name)
[18:02] <Ensano> hello*
[18:02] <Ensano> how can i help you?
[18:03] <@x0jan1q> Yes, i was wondering where you get your groceries from
[18:03] <Ensano> well we operate mainly out of the Superstore in New Sudbury. Why? were you interested in have your groceries delivered?
[18:04] <@x0jan1q> *click*
[18:04] <@x0jan1q> i wanted em from food 4 less
[18:04] <@RobotNixon> fail
[18:04] <Ensano> <--- rolls eyes
[18:04] <@RobotNixon> You can't get spcific with customers about where you get your product
[18:04] <@RobotNixon> just tell them you have agreements with many local stores
[18:05] <@x0jan1q> but then they will want em from X store
[18:05] <@x0jan1q> ppl have a preference
[18:05] <Ensano> well unfortunately for better service we find that offering through one store is simpler... but i can assure you that Superstore has some of the best prices and quality products...
[18:05] <@x0jan1q> a lot shop by perceptions of quality or price
[18:05] <@RobotNixon> fail
[18:05] <Ensano> i know people have a preference... but they tend to get over it sometime
[18:06] <@x0jan1q> every single decision you make has limited your customer pool
[18:06] <Ensano> ok try again... this time the person doesn't have a prob with superstore
[18:06] <@RobotNixon> omg
[18:06] <@x0jan1q> your 135k city is now a 2 person hick town
[18:06] <Ensano> ?
[18:06] <@BBVer> roleplay is fun!
[18:06] <Ensano> 135k people lots of people shop at superstore
[18:06] <Ensano> <@x0jan1q> RING RING
[18:06] <Ensano> [18:02] <Ensano> and wait for a responce can i can only type so fast
[18:06] <Ensano> [18:02] <@x0jan1q> RING RING
[18:06] <Ensano> [18:02] <Ensano> tello... Ensano delivery( not real name)
[18:06] <Ensano> [18:02] <Ensano> hello*
[18:06] <Ensano> [18:02] <Ensano> how can i help you?
[18:06] <Ensano> [18:03] <@x0jan1q> Yes, i was wondering where you get your groceries from
[18:06] <Ensano> [18:03] <Ensano> well we operate mainly out of the Superstore in New Sudbury. Why? were you interested in have your groceries delivered?
[18:06] <@x0jan1q> ok yes im interested in delivery, i'd like 3 potatoes and a tomato
[18:07] <@x0jan1q> ok yes im interested in delivery, i'd like 3 potatoes and a tomato
[18:07] <Ensano> well ok that wouln't be a problem but just to let you know there is a 20$ delivery charge so I would suggest if you wanted a delivery to consider possibly making a larger order
[18:07] <@RobotNixon> that'll be $42
[18:08] <@x0jan1q> but i thought u werent taking orders over the phone
[18:08] <@x0jan1q> now u are?
[18:08] <@RobotNixon> telepathically
[18:08] <Ensano> <--- rolls eyes... i'd take a 3 item order dumbass,
[18:08] <@x0jan1q> i want 3 potatoes a tomato, and x x x x x x x x x
[18:09] <Ensano> ok well since you are deciding to make a larger order what I'll suggest is that you write it down and if you have an email of fax to send it in...
[18:09] <@RobotNixon> your customers are really going to be pissed with you
[18:09] <@x0jan1q> are you going to cut off the customer
[18:09] <@x0jan1q> or wait until after they list 90 items
[18:09] <@RobotNixon> and who has a fax machine, seriously
[18:10] <Ensano> lol... you politely cut them off
[18:10] <Ensano> lol... i have one
[18:10] <@RobotNixon> by the time these people write a 90 item list, they could have gone to the store themselves
[18:10] <Ensano> or if you don't have email of a fax i can always stop by and pick up the list from you
[18:11] <@RobotNixon> more gas/time $$$
[18:11] <Ensano> true
[18:11] <@RobotNixon> you will be bleeding cash
[18:11] <Ensano> not necessarily...
[18:11] <@RobotNixon> good thing you only have 10 cx or this would ruin you
[18:12] <Ensano> a lot of people develope regular grocery needs
[18:12] <@RobotNixon> you might be able to get out of it only losing a few grand
[18:12] <@x0jan1q> you need to let this go ensano
[18:12] <Ensano> once they have their regular order down.. changeing a couple items over the phone isn't a big deal
[18:13] <@RobotNixon> who is x0jan?
[18:13] <@x0jan1q> flip ur head upside down
[18:13] <@BBVer> bluefox
[18:13] <@x0jan1q> DO YOU NOT READ UPSIDE DOWN?!
[18:13] <@RobotNixon> not regularly
[18:14] <Ensano> ok.. keep trying to convince me
[18:14] <Ensano> i've got the order...
[18:14] <@RobotNixon> you are obviously beyond convincing
[18:14] <@BBVer> [18:13] <Ensano> a lot of people develope regular grocery needs
[18:14] <Ensano> no no
[18:14] <@BBVer> this is literally 100% wrong
[18:14] <Ensano> i'm writing all this down
[18:15] <@BBVer> and i know this from having a family deli
[18:15] <@BBVer> in my family
[18:15] <@BBVer> which is what we do for a living
[18:15] <@BBVer> this
[18:15] <@BBVer> exactly what you're talking about
[18:15] <@BBVer> and you're ignoring everything i say
[18:15] <@BBVer> and im having trouble not laughing
[18:15] <Ensano> earlier you were talking about catholics having a problem with the service cause it interrupts church
[18:15] <@BBVer> my dad literally delivers groceries for a living
[18:16] <@BBVer> im telling you that absolutely no one in small town ontario wants a delivery before 2pm on a sunday
[18:16] <@BBVer> because they are either in church or having a weekly lunch
[18:16] <Ensano> no matter what you do in the world someone can find a specific example of someone who it bothers
[18:16] <@BBVer> which is common for italians, portuguese, russians, etc
[18:16] <Ensano> i live in a different city pav
[18:17] <@BBVer> errr more people go to church in sudbury than toronto?
[18:17] <Ensano> lol... besides... del day would prob be sat anyways
[18:17] <@BBVer> so you're gonna give up your saturdays forever for 70 bucks?
[18:17] <@BBVer> and your gfs
[18:17] <Ensano> 16*6=96
[18:17] <@RobotNixon> JUST 8 HOURS
[18:17] <@luckred> wpw
[18:18] <@luckred> still talking boot this
[18:18] <Ensano> wpw?
[18:18] <@luckred> canadian cunts
[18:18] <@luckred> wow
[18:18] <@luckred> i find it lol how canadians say boot
[18:18] <@luckred> instead of bout
[18:18] <@RobotNixon> I would love to stay in and participate, but I gotta jet
[18:18] <@BBVer> we don't say boot
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[18:18] <@BBVer> we say something like abow-out
[18:19] <@x0jan1q> abow-out ? no ud ont
[18:19] <@BBVer> yes we do
[18:19] <Ensano> abute...
[18:19] <@x0jan1q> a-bow-out
[18:19] <@x0jan1q> owow
[18:20] <@luckred> well in some its less pronounced than others
[18:20] <@luckred> but boot is pretty much what u say
[18:20] <@x0jan1q> aboot
[18:20] <@x0jan1q> youre forgetting the a
[18:20] <Ensano> anyways i'm off...
[18:20] <@luckred> yea
[18:21] <@x0jan1q> only way ur thing works
[18:21] <Ensano> i'll post this topic in the forum...
[18:21] <Ensano> after supper
[18:21] <@luckred> heh wp zin
[18:24] <@x0jan1q> in the states u can get groceries delivered for $7... and that's picking any time you want + seeing the price of your list
[18:24] <@x0jan1q> $20 for a shitty window + not knowing wtf youre going to get = lol
[18:25] <Ensano> but gas costs more
[18:25] <Ensano> gas is like 5.7$/gal
[18:25] <Ensano> and it's northern ontario
[18:26] <Ensano> no competition...
[18:26] <@x0jan1q> that means the delivery here with that gas price = 80 cents more
[18:27] <@x0jan1q> $7.8
[18:27] <@x0jan1q> anyways, the only way ur business works is if you spent a shit load of $$ and teamed up with a store
[18:28] <@x0jan1q> and take a loss for a while
[18:29] <@BBVer> yeah .. like 4-10 years while
[18:30] <@x0jan1q> actually, dont even think it would ever work but w/e
[18:36] <@luckred> ye same like bluey says in uk
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[19:05] <@Ensano> http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/ ... or/#202112
[19:05] <@Ensano> flame away... but at least explain yourselves plz
[19:08] <@BBVer> copy and paste the entire conversation into the thread
[19:09] <@BBVer> if you dont i refuse to post in the thread
[19:18] <@Ensano> i'm cool with that
[19:19] <@SX`away> nn
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[19:22] <@BBVer> you're being stupid
[19:22] <@BBVer> you dont want constructive criticism
[19:22] <@BBVer> you want people to tell you that your bad idea is good
[19:22] <@BBVer> without living in the real world
[19:23] <@BBVer> then fine. your idea is great and you're gonna succeed easily
[19:23] <@BBVer> have fun
[19:23] <@BBVer> being broke forever
[19:23] <@Ensano> i specifically state that i want criticisms
[19:23] <@Ensano> m*
[19:23] <@BBVer> then copy and paste what we said so that people aren't restating the same thing
[19:23] <@BBVer> and so that theyh have a base level of criticism to work from
[19:23] <@BBVer> and evaluate
[19:24] <@BBVer> instead of just flippantly ignoring our real suggestions as us being tools
[19:24] <@BBVer> we humoured your idea for wayyyy longer than the quality of it deserved
[19:26] <@BBVer> wow the intro of PAD is pretty sick now
[19:27] <@Ensano> what i don't like about most of your points is they go something liek this
[19:27] <@Ensano> "wow you're stupid... this idea is stupid..rofl"

[odlozilik]

It might be good, if you find enough customers. Who needs big orders and can't manage it themselves, and cheaper?

Btw, I PMed you, no answer?

[Dave B]

I didnt read your entire conversation, but from your original comments you arent making enough to deal with the headaches of owning your own business.

The thing that I would LOVE for my wife to start is a pet daycare. She is a vet tech and loves animals already. Several in the area are doing very well.

People here love their animals but are also being more 2 income households and at times are gone long hours. They charge $12-15/day and add in walks and meals for extra fees. Many handle 20-40/day. Plus, they can board overnight and charge more.

Run the number on that and see what you cashflow for 2-4 people.

The best part, your "customers" never complain.

[UrAteUp]

i skimmed this cause it's late here (here is live from NY and then NJ).
two points. The deposit idea won't work. No one would chance it. Might try a monthly fee or keep credit cards numbers in a database ( if people trusted you enough}. Two, if you screw up an order who pays? Can you afford a lose?

I know of US companies who let you place orders then deliver to you in a few days after your order.

Personally, I think you should think more before sinking your money into an idea. Dave's is better idea yet. It has less start up cost and a better profit margin VS cost.

Personally the GF should just rent your ass out as a clown or servant and collect all he money...lol.

[Felting]

Same basic business model was tried in Los Angeles area several times.

failed everytime.

[Ensano]

Same basic business model was tried in Los Angeles area several times.

failed everytime.

i think size of city can be a huge factor to overcome..

too small of an area means too few willing customers...

too large... and you spend too much time driving around you'd have to charge 40$ a delivery..

[Kemics]

company near me does pretty much exactly this as does very well. But i live in a notoriously hippy town and everyone loves the idea of a box of organic vegtables delivered to your door.

But over here pretty much every supermarket does a home delivery system. So there is barely a niche left in the market