AA on scary flop

[LeeG]

$50NL 6Max

V1: $95
V2: $40
Hero: $60

History: V1 plays lots of hands but hasn't been shown down on a bluff. V2 is new at table.

V1 is UTG and raises to $1.75
V2 is on button and calls
Hero is in BB with A A and raises to $5. Both villains call.

Flop: Q Q J

Hero checks
V1 Bets $10. V2 calls, Hero raises to $20
V1 pushes AI. V2 folds

Hero?

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Why are we checking the flop? I would also reraise a larger amount preflop.

As I see it, you are committed, but I still don't like it. I pretty much never stick in almost half my stack and fold. He plays a lot of hands... even against a 3-bet? What kind of range do we think he's on (is a flush draw in there? AJ? Underpair?)? Is he thinking about our obviously transparent range of big pairs, AK, and AQ?

Again, the only thing I can imagine is that the check confused him. If that was the plan, your check-raise worked exactly as you wanted it to. Otherwise, I'm confused as to why you took this line?

[gumbie]

Is this 4 handed or what?

It's ugly, I don't think that guy is 3 bet shoving the flop into 2 ppl without a Q very often.

But you got so little behind... flip a coin.

[Garoen]

all in preflop, but as played muck.

[Gunslinger]

all in preflop

Are you serious?

[Garoen]

completely. how often do you need to be called here for it to be a very profitable move? with the action of two players before me i think a huge overbet puts some confusion out there and entices a player who might think i'm going for a meaty steal.

[MrDarling]

You really need to make your 3B bigger. A pot raise will be around $7. But I probably bump it to 7.5/8 considering there was a cold called, we're OOP and slightly deep.
The amount you raise you are actually giving villain 1 odds to chase a set or try to out draw you.

If you charge them enough PF that its unprofitable for them to call with worse hands even when they do stack you every time they out drawn you, then go ahead and find the best way to get all the money in. However since you didn't, you might have to take it slow on some flops.

As played I really don't get your flop play. If you are going to c/r then just shove. The pot is big enough and you might get a call from a smaller pair, J or a draw.
If you plan on folding, just cbet/fold. Much cheaper then c/r and achieve the same result.

[Gunslinger]

how often do you need to be called here for it to be a very profitable move? with the action of two players before me i think a huge overbet puts some confusion out there and entices a player who might think i'm going for a meaty steal.

Respectfully, Garoen, this type of advice only works in a vacuum. Sure, on paper, perhaps you only have to get called a very small percentage of the time for this move to have a positive expecation. But poker is a long term game, where you will be playing opponents who are studying your tendencies, even if it's only been an hour at the table. Are you going to re-raise from 3.5BBs to 120BBs all-in preflop every single time you have aces? Are you going to push that much all-in with a wider range of hands for deception, so you get a call when you do have aces? The answer to those two questions is most likely no.

[LeeG]

I was the villain in this. I had K T and he made the call and I didn't hit anything and he took it down. I had been playing a lot of hands, but the ones I showed down were all pretty big ones, so I figured I'd have some fold equity plus a pretty good draw.