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AA vs KK odds?

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Postby Muck » Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:05 am GMT

You know what’s funny. On my way to work I now pass a big billboard for some random poker site.
It shows a table and two players with their hole cards face up pre-flop. On has Aces and one has Kings.

This made me wonder. What message are they trying to get across? Probably “Look poker has exciting handsâ€
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Postby Sid Lambert » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:46 pm GMT

uhh, i happen to have the exact numbers in front of me for this situation:

Situation - Win - Loss - Tie

A :spade: A :heart: K :spade: K :heart: - 1410336 - 292660 - 9308
A :spade: A :heart: K :spade: K :diamond: - 1399204 - 305177 - 7923
A :spade: A :heart: K :diamond: K :club: - 1388072 - 317694 - 6538

so for example there are 1,712,304 different board combinations, and bullets win in 1,410,336 combinations where both player's cards are suited

So,
82.3648% win & 0.5436% tie when both hands are suited
81.7147% win & 0.4627% tie when one suit matches
81.0646% win & 0.3818% tie when no suits match

approximately 4:1 or 1 in 5 odds for KK to pull thru, suits really dont matter much

just for fun,
A :spade: A :heart: 8 :spade: 8 :diamond: - 1374874 - 331680 - 5750

giving 80.2938% chance to win and 0.3358% to tie, making almost no difference....but the snowmen do have a better chance against bullets than king kong cuz of straight potential :)
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AA odds in general

Postby KingOHearts » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:42 pm GMT

I seem to remember seeing somewhere that the odds of AA producing a winning hand preflop is like 45%...is that against all random hands, or any random hand..what is the correct way to state this and can someone please provide a link that expplains this? (Settling a dispute). Thanks!!
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Re: AA odds in general

Postby tame_deuces » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:58 pm GMT

KingOHearts wrote:I seem to remember seeing somewhere that the odds of AA producing a winning hand preflop is like 45%...is that against all random hands, or any random hand..what is the correct way to state this and can someone please provide a link that expplains this? (Settling a dispute). Thanks!!


AA has about 85% equity versus a random hand preflop.

Which translated means that if you bet all-in with AA and your opponent will call with any two cards, you should statistically win 85% of the money in those pots over time. Well, minus/plus alot of statistical voodoo.

For preflop push situations equity will be almost identical to statistical win rate, only marginally being off because of the times it is a split pot.

I recommend downloading 'pokerstove'. With that program you can put a hand up against a specific hand, hand ranges or a 'random hand' and see the probably outcome of the hand versus one or more opponents (all with different hand variables).
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Postby KingOHearts » Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:08 am GMT

OK, thanks....maybe it was against a certain number of other random hands? Boy that 45% number sticks in my head though.
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Postby Implied_Odds » Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:10 pm GMT

I cracked Aces with pocket Kings. I also cracked trip 9's in the same hand with a King on the river making a Full Boat. That was a nice pot. I think the trip 9 guy hand A9 suited preflop. He had no bussiness being in the hand. The hand was capped preflop.
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Postby KingOfSpades » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:11 pm GMT

Mabye i'm doing this wrong but wouldn't the chance of getting a specific pocket pair be .4525%. 4/52 * 3/51 = .004525. So for 2 specific pocket pairs such as KK and AA, wouldn't you just do .004525/2 to get a .2263% chance of it happening.
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