ace ten ... again

[miaowmiaowchowface]

Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00)
Seat 1: sebishow ($103.80 in chips)
Seat 2: MMan89 ($34.20 in chips)
Seat 3: jones2002 ($27.70 in chips)
Seat 4: tripCCC ($98.05 in chips)
Seat 5: villain ($124 in chips)
Seat 6: eunhobae ($100 in chips)
Seat 7: Hero ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Sarp Ovutmen ($15.50 in chips)
Seat 9: pancher ($14.50 in chips)
Sarp Ovutmen: posts small blind $0.50
pancher: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Td As]
sebishow: folds
MMan89: folds
jones2002: folds
tripCCC: folds
villain: raises $3 to $4
eunhobae: calls $4
hero: raises $11 to $15
Sarp Ovutmen: folds
pancher: folds
villain: calls $11
eunhobae: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah Ac 3s]
villain: checks
hero: checks
*** TURN *** [Ah Ac 3s] [8c]
villain: bets $18
hero: calls $18
*** RIVER *** [Ah Ac 3s 8c] [9c]
villain: bets $74 and is all-in

Maybe I should stop playing AT:lol:

Anyway, I have an aggro image I think, and I view him as rather aggressive too.
I didn't want to scare him off on teh flop, and also to control stronger aces.

But wtf does i do on the river?

[MrDarling]

Am not a full ring player but even in 6max I don't often squeeze with ATo, so am guessing its pretty marginal to do in full ring.

As played, especially as a LAG player you should cbet this flop 100% of the time. As hopefully you would with your entire range.
Your hand is really misrepresented and looks a lot like a big pair afraid of the A on the flop (ie JJ+) so he could do it with any A. However I doubt players call 3B with a weaker A.
So your either vs a better A, a boat, flush or complete air.

Fold most of the time readless.

[tame_deuces]

Since you got a wtf-line vs an aggro player his bet doesn't really tell you anything, could be value could be bluffing. As played I call and won't be surprised by neither winning nor losing.

[Ensano]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

129 games 0.005 secs 25,800 games/sec

Board: Ah Ac 3s 8c 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.845% 79.84% 00.00% 103 0.00 { AsTd }
Hand 1: 20.155% 20.16% 00.00% 26 0.00 { 22+, A5s+, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, AQo+, KJo+ }

i was considering only putting in the spades as a possible suit but realized if villian is aggro he could be trying to steal the turn with any hand he was holding preflop... FD or not..

[Jauron]

I don't like preflop unless he's raising too often. Bet flop or raise turn to better define villains range. River is nasty but I think it's a call given how you've played that hand. I like betting flop or raising turn so I'm not completely guessing on river.

[kingetje]

dude you have to understand that because you checked behind on the flop you have to make this call on the river.... instantly!


oh and yeah, play 6max

[kingetje]

hmm ^^ that mightve been a bit harsh



its a fairly big overbet.... but still i think you should call here

[Phil14312]

You've under-repped your hand and now you must call. Also, fold preflop.

[MrDarling]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

129 games 0.005 secs 25,800 games/sec

Board: Ah Ac 3s 8c 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.845% 79.84% 00.00% 103 0.00 { AsTd }
Hand 1: 20.155% 20.16% 00.00% 26 0.00 { 22+, A5s+, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, AQo+, KJo+ }

You range is way too wide.
We should assign % for the time we think he bluffs and balance it vs his range that make sense to a real hand.
We beat some of his real hands, but very few of them.

Btw, his line is excellent if he hand reads and have a boat. He should realize OP as either QQ/KK (which will probably wont call any raise) a FD, or a slow played trips. OP will find it very hard to fold both flushes or trips to this shove.

[Ensano]

i don't agree that the range is that far off..

many vilian's who are very aggro with bet turn with anything...

[Phil14312]

i don't agree that the range is that far off..

many vilian's who are very aggro with bet turn with anything...

But you're range assumes they bet them all with nothing.

[Ensano]

ok... assuming he only bets if he got the FD and has a pp 8 or better (include 33)...

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

35 games 0.005 secs 7,000 games/sec

Board: Ah Ac 3s 8c 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.000% 60.00% 00.00% 21 0.00 { AsTd }
Hand 1: 40.000% 40.00% 00.00% 14 0.00 { 88+, 33, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KcQc, QcJc, JcTc, Tc9c, 9c8c, 8c7c, 7c6c, 6c5c


now factor in all the times he's a donk and is doing this with air...

i say by underrepresenting his hand he has no choice but to call...

[Jauron]

Ensano you have Ac on the board and in his hand, don't know what that does to pokerstove.

[Ensano]

Ensano you have Ac on the board and in his hand, don't know what that does to pokerstove.

i always just assumed that it would ignore any hands that include a "used" card

[miaowmiaowchowface]

How is this different to six max? the first 3 players folded...

Also, I've found squeezing like this to be a very profitable play atm, and will continue to do so until I find otherwise.

and yes he had been raising a fair bit preflop, but the call worried me.