Another moneymaker question

[jimmer]

Same torny.
Moneymaker has an M of 5.6 and makes a 2.5BB preflop raise. Is this wise with his stack?

Secondly, when the other guy re-raises, why does he fold? Surely this is a deffinate call?

I've just been working hard on my torny play, and he seems to break all the rules. It's obvously something that works for him, (and he's obviously a far better player than I'll ever be), I just don't understand the reasoning behind it?

PokerStars Game #13445541382: Tournament #67348126, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2007/11/24 - 18:14:15 (ET)
Table '67348126 23' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Moebius28 (107838 in chips)
Seat 2: DrunkoMaster (112178 in chips)
Seat 3: cashtorg (209643 in chips)
Seat 8: Sifosis (188376 in chips)
Seat 9: Money800 (45492 in chips)
Moebius28: posts the ante 400
DrunkoMaster: posts the ante 400
cashtorg: posts the ante 400
Sifosis: posts the ante 400
Money800: posts the ante 400
Moebius28: posts small blind 2000
DrunkoMaster: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
cashtorg: folds
Sifosis: folds
Money800: raises 6000 to 10000
Moebius28: folds
DrunkoMaster: raises 101778 to 111778 and is all-in
Money800: folds
DrunkoMaster collected 24000 from pot
DrunkoMaster: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 24000 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Moebius28 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: DrunkoMaster (big blind) collected (24000)
Seat 3: cashtorg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Sifosis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Money800 (button) folded before Flop

[Sean_in_NJ]

Might be an example of a play I've seen a lot more frequently since Harrington's books came out. It's not a direct application, but rather an implication of one of the examples he gives. One of the hands in the book shows hero in LP with ATs against a standard raise from a short stack in EP and a call from MP. The lesson is that anything less than an all-in bet from EP indicates a monster that is inviting action.

What I see more frequently now is a short stack making a standard raise in the hopes that his opponents are observant enough to recognize what he's representing. It's a second-level thinking type of play that I haven't seen used with much success, because you need everything to fall right for it to work. I think Hellmuth tried to do the same thing during the WSOP with a crappy K. He was rather upset when the button moved in with A9, he was forced to call and didn't catch up.

As for why Moneymaker folds, I can only suspect his hand was truly awful, and he's still got 35K to pick a better spot.

[jimmer]

.....hopes that his opponents are observant enough to recognize what he's representing. It's a second-level thinking type of play

I'm guessing this aswell.

It's easy when railing to notice these things, but of course we haven't seen the previous 500 hands. I guess Chris has to adapt his game aswell since everyone knows who he is. I wonder if he would play the hand the same if he was using someone elses username?

[MrDarling]

small raises with a short stack is pretty common attempt to steal now a days. Have seen Helmuth trying it a couple of times in WSOP.
It looks real strong, and unless someone with a stack big enough wok up with a real hand you get a good chance of stealing the pot.
Of course you have to assume your opponent are good enough to realize that when you are short your only real play is AI, and also you need to hope they don't have hands they will be willing to call and hope to hit big and crack your 'big' hand.Since if you are called, you don't even have a real cbet left in you.

[Jernej Zorec]

small raises with a short stack is pretty common attempt to steal now a days. Have seen Helmuth trying it a couple of times in WSOP.
It looks real strong, and unless someone with a stack big enough wok up with a real hand you get a good chance of stealing the pot.
Of course you have to assume your opponent are good enough to realize that when you are short your only real play is AI, and also you need to hope they don't have hands they will be willing to call and hope to hit big and crack your 'big' hand.Since if you are called, you don't even have a real cbet left in you.

unless he has 2 online pros at his left then he gets reraised every time and keeps folding until double up barely keeps him alive, and all he does is complain about those damn internet kinds,
play like that is bad, and just because moneymaker or whatever name live pro does something it doesnt mean its a anywhere close to good play

[Jauron]

He's on the button... doesn't have a hand though.

[MrDarling]

First - I don't necessary have much respect to MoneyMaker.
Second, I didn't notice it was down to 5. Is that FT or last 10? not that it matters.

Now I don't hate it if you already went AI 15 times. Now you are representing a real hand. By you can pull this move once in a session. Once they see you weak raise/fold with such a stack they'll know you are full of it and will 3bet you lite.

I much rather choose a hand and push. most often you'd be 65-35 situation at worse (ie when your JT is facing AK). and adding FE to your push you got plenty of equity.