bad call, but brag post still

[Ciso_B]

honestly dunno why i even called, prolly cos i thought 250 made little difference at this stage, but good read eh? (altho somewhat obvious too lol)

Seat 1: WeeeJustin (2,970)
Seat 2: herbud (3,130)
Seat 3: ArgentinaBoy (2,835)
Seat 4: Ciso (2,895)
Seat 5: melissa2141 (5,605)
Seat 6: apphilivey009 (4,025)
Seat 7: rev hockey (2,540)
Seat 8: kvnpat (6,180)
Seat 9: TheBillDozer26 (2,820)
kvnpat posts the small blind of 15
TheBillDozer26 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ciso [Qc Qs]
WeeeJustin raises to 90
herbud folds
ArgentinaBoy folds
Ciso calls 90
melissa2141 folds
apphilivey009 folds
rev hockey folds
kvnpat folds
TheBillDozer26 folds
*** FLOP *** [8d Jh Tc]
WeeeJustin bets 130
Ciso calls 130
*** TURN *** [8d Jh Tc] [Ah]
WeeeJustin checks
Ciso checks
*** RIVER *** [8d Jh Tc Ah] [Ad]
WeeeJustin bets 250
Ciso: kk eh?
Ciso has 15 seconds left to act
Ciso has requested TIME
Ciso calls 250
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WeeeJustin shows [Ks Kh] two pair, Aces and Kings
Ciso shows [Qc Qs] two pair, Aces and Queens
WeeeJustin wins the pot (985) with two pair, Aces and Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 985 | Rake 0
Board: [8d Jh Tc Ah Ad]
Seat 1: WeeeJustin showed [Ks Kh] and won (985) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 2: herbud didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: ArgentinaBoy didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Ciso showed [Qc Qs] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 5: melissa2141 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: apphilivey009 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: rev hockey (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: kvnpat (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: TheBillDozer26 (big blind) folded before the Flop

[HalfSugar]

Out of interest, why do you not 3-bet pre in this spot?

[Ciso_B]

He raised utg level 1, If I 3 bet , I reckon to only get action from the really top percentile of hands, like AA,KK,AKs etc, and maybe jj too actually.
When i 3 bet an utg raise, my hand is pretty faceup , its gonna be QQ + obv, so this early on , i dont mind playin a smaller pot in position, with a big pair disguised.

If I 3 bet and he shoves, I miss my chance to break him if he has AA,KK aswell.

Sure , later on I ll re shove/re riase etc with the QQ here and gl to him if he has AA,KK. But earlier on, I will often/occasionally take a more conservative route.

As it turned out I saved some money , thats being results orientated, but tbh, I could save more and just fold river too, I really beat nothing except maybe KJ or something. Pretty weak river call, especially since his hand is pretty obvious too.

[Garoen]

not 3-betting pre b/c you think only aa/kk/ak are giving you action seems incredibly nitty.

however, your level of play is a gazillion times higher then mine so i digress, my opinion is an uneducated one.

[Ciso_B]

My opinion is uneducated too friend, what authority do I possibly have ?

Let me put it this way, what are YOU going to call with if YOU riase utg and are 3 bet during level 2, lets say i make it 300.Set mine with the low pairs?

Also, what are you going to put the opponent on when they 3 bet you and you've raised from utg durin level 2.

I dont want my opponent to KNOW for sure I have a huge pair aswell remember.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

easy river call nit

[jimmer]

He raised utg level 1,

Would the same rules apply if he was in middle position or the cut-off and you were on the button? (Level 1)

[Ciso_B]

No,same rules dont apply. If I was in position and he was in cutoff, I'd 3 bet most of the time. I don't wanna let 89 raise, flop 89x and me stack off. I'd rather 3 bet then, plus when he raises in late position and i 3 bet, my hand isn't in such a tight range of QQ+, it can look like any pair 77+ or any broadway cards. (even tho i dont 3 bet these hands here)

[HalfSugar]

As it turned out I saved some money

I'm not sure you did. I'd 3-bet to 300 here and then release to a 4-bet shove. You paid 470 for the privilege of seeing KK. If your 3-bet turns your hand into QQ+, his 4-bet gives you what you need to know...........

Playing both ways is OK I guess but I favour 3-betting this almost every time against all but the weakest players.

[UrAteUp]

Isn't that Weeejustin..Bonono? (spelling?)

I think the three bet here would be a better what of finding where you stand pre-flop?

Next question...why not bet that turn? If he raises you can let go...but you might have him thinking your holding a big A here.

Just looking for some insight at these levels...not critiquing...

[Garoen]

Let me put it this way, what are YOU going to call with if YOU riase utg and are 3 bet during level 2, lets say i make it 300.Set mine with the low pairs?

Also, what are you going to put the opponent on when they 3 bet you and you've raised from utg durin level 2.

The fact that the player is UTG and has raised to 3xbb still encompasses a pretty wide range of hands imho. im thinking 88+, or two pieces of broadway JT+ and higher? really depends on the opponents pf hand selection, but most for most unknowns i assume play is similar to that of 1/2NL live (i.e. very fishy/touristy) ok so you are already dominating 2/3rds of his range, flipping against another portion, and only completely dominated by two hands. to open utg and then fold would actually take some thought, so we know we can jam the pot vs. 80% of his range and maximise value with our big broadway pair.

as far as his perception of our hand, well that really depends. does villain have any reads on our play? have we been active preflop, betting and 3-betting often, or have we folded our blinds and been otherwise uninvolved in any hands. either way, i think we are still getting a call 60-80% of the time.

one thing i'm not factoring in here is the buy-in level of this tournament, as I'm sure level of play increases exponentially in the more expensive tournaments. (I personally have never played above the 5+R).

[Ciso_B]

I think the three bet here would be a better what of finding where you stand pre-flop?

Next question...why not bet that turn? If he raises you can let go...but you might have him thinking your holding a big A here.

Just looking for some insight at these levels...not critiquing...

I don't love turn betting here, I have position and can just play pot smaller. If im not gonna 3 bet pf, Im not gonna lead when A hits , for no reason.If he doesn't have the ace, he probably has very few outs to beat me, so im not worried about being sucked out on. I guess it just seemed trivial to check back on turn uau.

As to 3 betting pf, sure, I could. Sometimes I would, but I lean slightly toward flatting more at this stage.

Is it just me then that thinks my hand is extremely obv if i 3 bet utg raise during level 1/2 here?

[HalfSugar]

Isn't that Weeejustin..Bonono? (spelling?)

Justin Bonomo plays as ZeeJustin. Close