best line..

[Ensano]

ok... i read somewhere that to get paid someone else has to have a strong second-best hand.. so do we push here knowing a naked ten calls?

POKERSTARS GAME #19487467904: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/08/09 - 15:43:58 (ET)
Table 'Miram II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: elChipLead3r ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Ensano ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 3: laanooe ($11.80 in chips)
Seat 4: crisb732002 ($8.40 in chips)
Seat 5: temmikongi ($25.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Pedersen1989 ($31.80 in chips)
Seat 7: Aerofoil ($52 in chips)
Seat 8: fioro ($24.30 in chips)
Seat 9: angus1919 ($15.65 in chips)
crisb732002: posts small blind $0.10
temmikongi: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ensano [Jc Qc]
Pedersen1989: calls $0.25
Aerofoil: folds
fioro: folds
angus1919: folds
elChipLead3r: folds
Ensano: raises $0.75 to $1
laanooe: folds
crisb732002: folds
temmikongi: folds
Pedersen1989: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Td Ah Kc]
Pedersen1989: checks
Ensano: bets $1.40
Pedersen1989: calls $1.40
*** TURN *** [Td Ah Kc] [Ts]
Pedersen1989: checks
Ensano: bets $3.50
Pedersen1989: raises $5 to $8.50
Ensano: ?

[Jauron]

Don't we make more from hands we can beat like AX 10X by just calling here with position? Hands that have us crushed aren't folding, hands that we can beat might. J10/Q10 really seem that likely to want to shove? Pot is so big we can shove river and get called more IMO if they check. 4 betting a street is pretty damn strong.

[Ensano]

considering the stakes does Tx really fold to a 4bet push here?... isn't maximizing that mistake the better route than inducing a possible river bluff?

[Jauron]

J10 or Q10 should be the only reasonable 10X hands we see here we can beat yes? I agree if they won't fold 10X to pre or flop action then pushing seems ok but that range seems crazy to me.

[Yozman]

he wouldnt check call with AT KT on that flop would he. i just call here probably, then stick it in river

[miaowmiaowchowface]

just call and wait for river

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

just call and wait for river

Agree. This is something I have taken from Omaha that is very effective.

[Ciso_B]

Agree with the guys above, I prefer calling turn. If he checks value bet big, if he bets, I might be inclined to just call ...especially if its a paint card.I ain't re raising for sure.

[Ensano]

just wanted to know if i should've been protecting more...



*** TURN *** [Td Ah Kc] [Ts]
Pedersen1989: checks
Ensano: bets $3.50
Pedersen1989: raises $5 to $8.50
Ensano: calls $5
*** RIVER *** [Td Ah Kc Ts] [3c]
Pedersen1989: bets $14.75
Ensano: calls $8.35 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($6.40) returned to Pedersen1989
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pedersen1989: shows [3h Th] (a full house, Tens full of Threes)
Ensano: mucks hand
Pedersen1989 collected $37 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $38.85 | Rake $1.85
Board [Td Ah Kc Ts 3c]
Seat 1: elChipLead3r folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Ensano mucked [Jc Qc]
Seat 3: laanooe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: crisb732002 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: temmikongi (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Pedersen1989 showed [3h Th] and won ($37) with a full house, Tens full of Threes
Seat 7: Aerofoil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: fioro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: angus1919 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Ciso_B]

I still like the turn flat tbh.

[Ensano]

I still like the turn flat tbh.

i do too... gives so many more options... lets him bluff... i can still get a Vb out of it.. i think pushing requires too much...

[Yozman]

sick. T3 wtf

[kingetje]

WTF? why the hell not jam that turn?? hes telling you "I HAVE A TEN"... people dont fold trips yaknow

i dont like it at all. just asking for Q/J/K/A on the river...

[kingetje]

I still like the turn flat tbh.

i do too... gives so many more options... lets him bluff... i can still get a Vb out of it.. i think pushing requires too much...

"lets him bluff"? the way the hand was played up until the turn theres really hardly a chance he has a bluff.

BTW to raise the turn doesnt mean you have to shove. you can just click it back or something... anything

[miaowmiaowchowface]

I didn't realise he had such a short stack, I have to change my mind on this one I guess, ebcause a lot of scareards can fall for him/u