Big Mtt Decision....

[Ciso_B]

It's early on in a big mtt.$320 buy in.

Few limpers, I have K 10 . in sb.I complete.

FLop A 8 10 . I check...utg leads 120 into like 150...another player makes it 450..fold round to me. I think I had about 2850 when hand began.

Decision 1- Call,re raise or fold?


Anyway, I just call it...I rationed why shove and get called by A-10 or 8-8 already...And why fold, I have a very powerful hand still.


BB mucks, and utg makes it 1500 straight, leaving 1,050 behind...the re raiser shoves...and its on me, i have about 2375 ish.BB is only 30..

Now what do you do?

Call or fold?


I ll post results etc later.

[gumbie]

You can't fold there ever.

[Garoen]

you are painfully behind to a strong ace, and only 30% (AT BEST) to catch the nut flush by the river. considering it is early in the mtt and we will still have a healthy stack after letting it go i can justify a fold.

[Yozman]

i shove after som1 makes it $450. i am used to playing $11 shoveaments but

[Ensano]

you are painfully behind to a strong ace, and only 30% (AT BEST) to catch the nut flush by the river. considering it is early in the mtt and we will still have a healthy stack after letting it go i can justify a fold.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

503,874 games 0.016 secs 31,492,125 games/sec

Board: As 8s Td
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.600% 36.34% 00.26% 183110 1308.33 { KsTs }
Hand 1: 31.700% 27.30% 04.40% 137539 22188.83 { AA, TT, 88, AKs, ATs, A8s, AKo, ATo, A8o }
Hand 2: 31.700% 27.30% 04.40% 137539 22188.83 { AA, TT, 88, AKs, ATs, A8s, AKo, ATo, A8o }


now the pot is (assuming shover has hero covered)

pot is 4500 assuming both calls +2375 +1050
pot 7875... hero has 36% equity

7875*.36 = 2835

so he's risking 2375 to win 2835 in a spot where he risks it all but would still have plenty of room to play if he folded...

my 2c... either push or fold before your 450 went in...

fold... you're too good to be trying to get lucky...

[miaowmiaowchowface]

pretty sure calling is the last thing you want to be doing here

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

I don't feel bad about getting it in here, ever. Calling initially is probably OK, but raising isn't all that bad either with this type of hand, considering you're really not all that deep, and you potentially have some fold equity (even if that's unlikely). Once it's back around to you it's a very easy call just based on the odds you're getting.

[Garoen]

results?

[HalfSugar]

I spoke to Jerry Yang. His advice:
"All-in. 10 mirrion chips."

[Jernej Zorec]

i think this is an easy call
its an +EV spot imo
since i would add few hands to those ranges Ensano posted

and Gaoren u should never fold an +ev spot in a mtt ( except on bubble obv)
no one is good enough to pass on it

[MrDarling]

I actually disagree with everyone here and say I think we should find a fold here. Early on the chips we win don't worth nearly as much as the one we lose.
Double up (or even triple up) wont really effect our end results that much, but busting will.

If the structure is real bad or opponents are real tough we might consider taking what ever small edge we have, but I doubt this is the case here.

[kompis]

with blinds so small and the action taken place i think the best thing to do is fold. if u call and catch the spade you will most likely not get paid( flatting here screams fd) and shoving is pretty bad considering the pot is not v big, u have invested hardly anything and the only hands that call u have u in pretty shit shape.

the 2nd decision i would fold and be angry at myself for not making a proper decision in the first place

[jimmer]

fold... you're too good to be trying to get lucky...

Good point, well made.

This is potentially a coin flip situation and in a place where you don't need to force the play. Does the risk outweigh the reward? I don't think you need to play this hand at this stage in the tourny.

Fold.

[mortaleclipse]

But you have royal draw...

[Ciso_B]

forgot to post results, i folded my K hi flush draw, they had AA for top set and Q J spades. QJspades took it down with spade on river.