bluffing ..early in in a tourney..

[Ciso_B]

This guy was the type that would raise over limpers big etc, and im sure , like rly sure he never is strong here. Neway, do we like thiis line?

Full Tilt Poker Game #19279769332: $42,000 Guarantee (146665465), Table 23 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:27:14 ET - 2010/03/15
Seat 1: Ciso (6,480)
Seat 2: niapro (6,305)
Seat 3: DevilFish73 (2,540)
Seat 4: joschi36 (2,165)
Seat 5: vballa34 (3,565)
Seat 6: czlol (2,900)
Seat 7: ottoman1907 (3,230)
Seat 8: micviole (2,540), is sitting out
Seat 9: jt6565 (3,335)
Ciso posts the small blind of 20
niapro posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ciso [Jh Kd]
DevilFish73 folds
joschi36 folds
vballa34 folds
czlol folds
ottoman1907 folds
micviole folds
jt6565 folds
Ciso raises to 120
niapro calls 80
*** FLOP *** [9d 9s 3h]
Ciso bets 160
niapro raises to 400
Ciso calls 240
*** TURN *** [9d 9s 3h]
Ciso checks
niapro bets 880
Ciso raises to 2,240

[HalfSugar]

This guy was the type that would raise over limpers big etc

You learnt that in Level I of the tourney or you have history?

[Ciso_B]

just thro level 1, he did it like 3 or 4 times , that tell's me enough unless he was just a card rack.Which does happen sometimes admittedly, but more likely he had like A-10 and Kq etc.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

seems ok

[Ciso_B]

aww deldar, thats gotta be the nicest thing uve ever said about a hand i played. Thanks mate!

[REDMAN]

It seems to me you got invested and then tried to bail yourself out with a bluff. In a blind vs. blind situation I understand how this happens but I think a bluff is marginal at best. He should call with any pair maybe Ax diamonds and clearly a 9. I would not get that invested in the first place especially early in a tournament. If you have a read on your opponent that he defends maybe it is ok.

Did he fold?

What do you do if he calls do you push on the river?

[Ciso_B]

Valid points, redman, but does he ever have anythin gd here rly? I mean, he didnt re pop pf, and if he didnt re pop pf with like a small pair, then hes prolly not the type to rr flop and bet turn for value. I didn't really account for diamond draw when i c/r turn cos you just dont factor in back door draws when a guy raises a paired flop.

To answer the other question, no I dont' shove river cos I chalk it up to bad timing'/bad read/stubborn opponent. Anything that can call my c/r on turn is highy unlikely to fold most rivers. I guess i could be tempted if hte river was a 10/j/q/k/a. Although 2 of them give me the best hand most likely, which i will proly bet for value ?

As It happened he called my turn c/r . River was 6c. I checked, he checked.

He had hte 6 7 . Was a bit frustrating tbh cos I read what he did correctly and he sucked out. Then to top it off he give mes crap after "lol, keep calling raises wiht Khi".

Now, I can't say for sure whether he'd call bet or shove on river(although i imagine hes calling), but I think it'd be a bit too far going ahead bluffing here after the action thats taken place on the other streets.Meh.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

lol hes not calling the riv u dope

[Ciso_B]

I'd side bet he calls bets that aint shoves. If I bet anything less than all in he ll call cos the pot size, this is $24 klonk and he's hit 2nd pair, obv he cant hand read for shit deldar since he fired turn neway even tho i called flop reraise.So yeh, likely he folds to shove, which i wasnt prepared to do, but no chance he folds ofr like 1k-1,500.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

well obv you shove ffs you just bet 2240... hmmm makes a lot of sense if you bet 1-1500 after that. If you aren't prepared to go with it you better c/f the flop

[Ciso_B]

jesuss it aint that simple u condescending prick, he can have 9x still, the chances he has that go up a sh1t load after he calls turn, u think its just ok i gonna call flop c/r turn and if he still calls i ll shove any river. The situation changed completely once he called my turn c/r , i was like fk it, the prick aint foldin'.

With hindsight, i prolly woulda shoved river to give myself best shot, but in real time, you're thinkin you misread the villain and better give up, i mean it looks like he has a 9 now, when u look at it without knowing holecards.

and ye, obv its shove if any bet on river, just looked at hand/potsize/stack.

[odlozilik]

As I don't make such a play often, I would ask this: If you think you are good on the flop, isn't it better to 3-bet the flop than to raise on the blank turn? If not, why? Flop 3-bet is quite cheaper than turn raise.

[clarky]

Since i am not a god bluffer, I just concentrate more on the weaker players by trapping them and extracting as many chips from them as possible.