Bubble situation

[jeffonline]

I lifted this from another Forum and thought is was a very interesting situation, What would do.

This is a spot i need help in. Im the short stack on the bubble and the two to my left have a little more than me but still super short. I know that if i shove here im getting called by the BB with atc, well i should be atleast. What do you guys do here? 7 left, 6 get the seat.

PokerStars Game #20466574658: Tournament #108658051, 210FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/09/16 22:28:51 ET
Table '108658051 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Bballnate02 (1170 in chips)
Seat 2: Moneyraker32 (1535 in chips)
Seat 3: Handsome SOB (3445 in chips)
Seat 5: mitch ling (9050 in chips)
Seat 7: Done it (5775 in chips)
Seat 8: ml010763 (8005 in chips)
Seat 9: r1v3rdr0wn5 (1020 in chips)
Bballnate02: posts the ante 25
Moneyraker32: posts the ante 25
Handsome SOB: posts the ante 25
mitch ling: posts the ante 25
Done it: posts the ante 25
ml010763: posts the ante 25
r1v3rdr0wn5: posts the ante 25
Moneyraker32: posts small blind 200
Handsome SOB: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to r1v3rdr0wn5 [8d Ah]
mitch ling: folds
Done it: folds
ml010763: folds
r1v3rdr0wn5: ????

[Ensano]

if this is a sat i wait it out...

[miaowmiaowchowface]

easy shove afaik

[HalfSugar]

if this is a sat i wait it out...

I agree if the top 6 positions are an identical prize?

There are enough idiots that will not fold AA or KK pre-flop in this situation because "OMGZ PREMIUM HAND" and you may get lucky. Obviously if it's a fold-o-rama but no-one folds the blinds to you, they will roll over you and blind you off first but I'd sit tight as long as possible and hope two idiots go at it.

[Gunslinger]

He only has 3 more hands before the blinds take 2/3 of his stack. He is in last place. Waiting it out is for people who are in a chip position that is winning a seat, and can probably keep it by folding. This is a very, very easy shove.

[HalfSugar]

Depends how dumb the field are bearing in mind this is a 210FPP buy-in tourney so realistically, they are pretty dumb. If two of them pick up a good hand in the next orbit, chances are they will tangle for all their chips. It's a fairly tough spot I think and is not a no-brainer all-in.

[Muck]

I know that if i shove here im getting called by the BB with atc,

Then your likely ahead and will doubt through

Seriously thought I’m 75% happy with a push here. If you pick up the blinds or doubt through it’ll create a new short stack who’ll know it’s his turn next to put his hand in the scary tree root and see if the monster bites.

The other danger is that waiting will leave you with a tiny stack that could get multiple callers…in fact the big stacks might all call your 400 and check it down, I’d be tempted to in this situation.

[UrAteUp]

If you know that the big stack will call no matter what he has for a hand then this is as good of a time as any to push. If the big stack would risk a chunk of his chips with just any two cards...you can't ask for a better situation to force an all-in.

You have very few rotations left before your losing chips. Best to see if you can force a laydown and at least grab some blinds to see you through another rotation or two.

[Jernej Zorec]

according to ICM u can only push this hand if bb will only call with top 20% of hands, any more than that and this is a clear fold

that is assuming the BTN and SB will only push top8% of hands

[odlozilik]

This is a very good chance to shove, which we will hardly have again. 3 big stacks folded and only 1 remains to act in BB. We are very probably ahead of him, and 2 remaining short stacks will call only with premium hands. There is nothing to wait for.