Bubble Time 4 3 suited

[Felting]

evaluate play on each street please
Feel like I didn't max my value

Seat 1: plugger07 (605 in chips)
Seat 2: skoolyrat (8649 in chips)
Seat 3: pr16 (5215 in chips)
Seat 4: FeltingYou (3590 in chips)
Seat 5: DOGTHREE (4445 in chips)
Seat 6: andykelly (6705 in chips)
Seat 7: clamityjoe52 (5905 in chips)
Seat 8: JRCH2 (1970 in chips)
Seat 9: X Trip X (3710 in chips)
plugger07: posts the ante 25
skoolyrat: posts the ante 25
pr16: posts the ante 25
FeltingYou: posts the ante 25
DOGTHREE: posts the ante 25
andykelly: posts the ante 25
clamityjoe52: posts the ante 25
JRCH2: posts the ante 25
X Trip X: posts the ante 25
FeltingYou: posts small blind 125
DOGTHREE: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FeltingYou [4h 3h]
andykelly: calls 250
clamityjoe52: folds
JRCH2: folds
X Trip X: folds
plugger07: folds
skoolyrat: folds
pr16: folds
FeltingYou: calls 125
DOGTHREE: checks
*** FLOP *** [8h 4c 5h]
FeltingYou: checks
DOGTHREE: checks
andykelly: bets 500
FeltingYou: calls 500
DOGTHREE: folds
*** TURN *** [8h 4c 5h] [2c]
FeltingYou: checks
andykelly: checks
*** RIVER *** [8h 4c 5h 2c] [Jh]
FeltingYou: bets 500

[buckeyes77]

Hey Felting, let me give it a go. I don't have any problem with your check-call on the flop. I would have definitely led out with a bet on the turn though, somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,000 or so. The way your villain played this makes me wanna put him on 2 overcards so you would have probably took the pot right there with your bet. However, if he called your bet on the turn I would have led out again with a pot-size bet on the river. If he hit his Jack you probably would have gotten paid off on a substantial bet as opposed to getting called on a smaller value bet. If he didn't hit anything with the Jack, he would have mucked regardless of the size of your bet.

I'm guessing your villain folded to your river bet? In this case you probably wouldn't have won more money from him regardless of how you played on the turn but atleast you would have given him a chance to call on the turn with intention to hit an overcard on the river - you would also have gotten implied odds on this action depending on whether he called and hit on the Jack or not.

[buckeyes77]

Or did he end up having a bigger flush???? Another reason why a turn bet might have been beneficial (getting him away from his draw). My guess is that he either mucked, called your 500 with something like a KJ or QJ, or raised with a bigger flush.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Bet the flop, bet the turn, bet more on the river. You only get so many hands per tournament where you have a shot to capitalize. I'd rather try and go for the gusto here than squeak out a few extra chips.

[MrDarling]

I don't think the problem is losing value, the problem is how do you play if he bet the turn again once you miss?
Though you got one of the best turn for your hand that doesn't complete your flush (your equity against an overpair is still the same as on the flop) most of the times your equity on the turn will drop and you will HAVE to fold to most turn bets, unless you have good reasons to believe he is bluffing.

Buyin depended, and how important cashing is, I think the best play is to try and get as much money on the flop as possible.
Reads depended, its either lead/shove or check/raising. I don't hate check raising, since we do have a pair we don't lose to much equity if they check behind and we can probably lead most turn (or c/c). I think c/c is the worse, since there are very few cards you'd like to see and you should fold to most turn bets if it doesn't improve your hand. And actually, when the 2 falls, now you have to call most turn bets, since you're still roughly 45% against his betting range.

[Jauron]

I'd C/R the flop for 2K or push. Turn is a push.

We are flip with overpair, small dog to set, he should need a big hand to continue with flop, I get as much money in on flop as possible. He has us covered so he might call more often here but this is as good a spot as we are going to get to increase our stack 1/3 or double up.

[UrAteUp]

I agree with DC. Bet the flop, river and turn. 3/4 pot on the river at least. Your not likely behind here.

[Felting]

Thanks guys, you confirmed my post hand thinking, I should have played it more aggressively.

He had AJ off and called my river bet.

[mortaleclipse]

I play this like a maniac and feal like I already have the nutz. Its a big leak and I need to stop

[buckeyes77]

I always choose my play based off of what I put my opponents on. In your case, I played the way I would against someone holding 2 overcards. I guess that results in getting the max value for your hands a good amount of the time but can also backfire in a big way when your analysis is wrong or you get brutally outplayed. Poker is a great game.