Cash game hand....1 street to late?

[Ciso_B]

Ok guys I've been multi tabling cash games, and this hand comes up.
You guys might crucify me for the river play, but give me your thoughts all.

Full Tilt Poker Game #8467805687: Table Tyne (deep 6) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:46:36 ET - 2008/10/13
Seat 1: Gop_Machine ($200.85)
Seat 2: marcoj2002 ($131.30)
Seat 3: iTr4pp3dU ($201)
Seat 4: oznio ($132.90)
Seat 5: RIVERAGENT ($125.30)
Seat 6: Ciso ($176.25)
Ciso posts the small blind of $0.50
Gop_Machine posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ciso [7d 5d]
marcoj2002 raises to $2
iTr4pp3dU has 15 seconds left to act
iTr4pp3dU is sitting out
iTr4pp3dU has timed out
iTr4pp3dU folds
oznio calls $2
iTr4pp3dU has returned
RIVERAGENT calls $2
Ciso calls $1.50
Gop_Machine has 15 seconds left to act
Gop_Machine calls $1
*** FLOP *** [5s 9d 4d]
Ciso bets $6
Gop_Machine calls $6
marcoj2002 folds
oznio folds
RIVERAGENT folds
*** TURN *** [5s 9d 4d] [3d]
Ciso bets $11
Gop_Machine raises to $35
Ciso has 15 seconds left to act
Ciso calls $24
*** RIVER *** [5s 9d 4d 3d] [Ts]
Ciso has 15 seconds left to act
Ciso bets $40
Gop_Machine has 15 seconds left to act
Gop_Machine raises to $120
Ciso folds
Uncalled bet of $80 returned to Gop_Machine
Gop_Machine mucks
Gop_Machine wins the pot ($169)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $172 | Rake $3
Board: [5s 9d 4d 3d Ts]
Seat 1: Gop_Machine (big blind) collected ($169), mucked
Seat 2: marcoj2002 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: iTr4pp3dU didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: oznio folded on the Flop
Seat 5: RIVERAGENT (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Ciso (small blind) folded on the River

[jimmer]

I don't get it?

You call his raise on the turn (which suggests you think you have the best hand), then fold on the river to a card that doesn't effect neither hand???

*** RIVER *** [5s 9d 4d 3d] [Ts]
Ciso has 15 seconds left to act
Ciso bets $40
Gop_Machine has 15 seconds left to act
Gop_Machine raises to $120
Ciso folds

Just out of interest, what amount would gop_machine have to raise for you to call? For example, if he raised $80 would you of called this?

How many tables were you playing?

[MrDarling]

I never ever fold this against a fish, especially not for 90BB.
I just get it in on the turn. His range his so wide to raise us there.
As for river play I have no idea what you are doing. If you called the turn because you were not sure you are a head, just c/c the river. Bet folding this river is really bad with stack to pot size.

If we were 150BBish deep I might consider just calling the turn and c/c the river, but I need to have a huge read on villain to do that, most of the time I just put it in here and feel good about it, even when he shows me a better flush.

[Jernej Zorec]

If you called the turn because you were not sure you are a head, just c/c the river. Bet folding this river is really bad with stack to pot size.

this imo, either reshove the turn , fold the turn if u think he only rr there with a good flush( not like i think thats the case almost ever) , and as u played u should check call this river

[gumbie]

This is generally shove turn, sometimes fold turn.

But it can be call turn, ck/call river.

And it's probably almost never call turn bet/fold river, but when u aren't sure which of the 3 above is right, this line may be not so bad because a huge % of ppl really don't raise the river here without a flush.

[MrDarling]

...because a huge % of ppl really don't raise the river here without a flush.

People indeed don't raise bluff the river enough. However hero line is so weird one can never put a flush in is draw. I can see aggressive player raising here with sets and straights. 67 really fits the bill here.

Hero hands looks a lot like T9 at best. This river bet is so obviously a blocking bet, if I'm in the zone and I know you can bet/fold rivers I'll raise here with a very wide range (including the naked Ad sometimes)

[miaowmiaowchowface]

if hes a fish, he's not bluffing really. that being said this is a terrible line

[Ciso_B]

It's like im a sadist or something lol. I post hands I know im gonna get hassle for. But I like hearing peoples thoughts on hands I play questionably.

On to the other hand, flop plays it self imo, I turn my flush and lead, now he re raises me, which made me think he either made a straight or a flush,now its possible he ll call a shove with a straight but I dont think so.
Hes obviously calling with a flush (which beats me anyway).

So I call,so I dont have to stack off against a higher flush. I value bet $40 on river , kinda as a blcoker, I want a call, and a straight,set ,2pair , wahtever calls here i think right?

When he re raised me on the river, it felt like an easy fold. I also dont beleive a player of his calibre is good enough to make a move and re raise me there with a weaker hand.

Thinking back, I think I should have checked the river, and most likely called. I bet $40 cos i thought at the time he ll value bet more then $40 which will make me lose more, also if i am beat i will find out, and if i have him beat i.e. he has a hand which isnt a flush. I win $40.

But I stil dont hate my call of the re raise on the turn,since his hand plays like a flush anyway. But I think check call river is better.

[ErinJeff]

PokerStars Game #21122891052: Hold'em Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/10/11 23:24:57 ET
Table 'Goberta IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: virulin ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Poker Ch*ps ($28 in chips)
Seat 4: marianoboni ($31.50 in chips)
Seat 5: joeyclifton ($15 in chips)
Seat 6: SQUi5HiiFiSH ($55.30 in chips)
Seat 7: influence9 ($47.75 in chips)
Seat 8: ErinJeff ($48.75 in chips)
Seat 9: MainLineStar ($29.50 in chips)
ErinJeff: posts small blind $0.25
MainLineStar: posts big blind $0.50
vermine: sits out
MainLineStar said, "pkt 10s"
joeyclifton: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ErinJeff [4c 6c]
MainLineStar said, "hat em"
virulin: folds
MainLineStar said, "hate that is"
Poker Ch*ps: calls $0.50
marianoboni: calls $0.50
joeyclifton: checks
SQUi5HiiFiSH: calls $0.50
influence9: calls $0.50
ErinJeff: calls $0.25
MainLineStar said, "ur money is still mine"
MainLineStar: checks
*** FLOP *** [9c 7c Qc]
ErinJeff: bets $2.50
MainLineStar: folds
Poker Ch*ps: folds
marianoboni: calls $2.50
joeyclifton: calls $2.50
SQUi5HiiFiSH: folds
influence9: folds
*** TURN *** [9c 7c Qc] [4s]
ErinJeff: bets $8.50
marianoboni: raises $20 to $28.50 and is all-in
joeyclifton: folds
ErinJeff: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [9c 7c Qc 4s] [7d]
joeyclifton said, "damn q9"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ErinJeff: shows [4c 6c] (a flush, Queen high)
marianoboni: shows [Ac 5c] (a flush, Ace high)
marianoboni collected $65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $68 | Rake $3
Board [9c 7c Qc 4s 7d]
Seat 1: virulin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Poker Ch*ps folded on the Flop
Seat 4: marianoboni showed [Ac 5c] and won ($65) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: joeyclifton folded on the Turn
Seat 6: SQUi5HiiFiSH folded on the Flop
Seat 7: influence9 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: ErinJeff (small blind) showed [4c 6c] and lost with a flush, Queen high
Seat 9: MainLineStar (big blind) folded on the Flop

[UrAteUp]

My question is this...you get the hand you wanted, the flush, and fold it on the river on an unpaired board? If your not going to call when you hit your flush why bother playing for the flush?

[ErinJeff]

My question is this...you get the hand you wanted, the flush, and fold it on the river on an unpaired board? If your not going to call when you hit your flush why bother playing for the flush?

This.

[UrAteUp]

My question is this...you get the hand you wanted, the flush, and fold it on the river on an unpaired board? If your not going to call when you hit your flush why bother playing for the flush?

This.

I just saw that hand you posted Erin. Point taken. That's why unless I know the table I am playing at, I tend to throw low suited connectors away.