cash game lessons..

[Ciso_B]

So I had it rough tonight, and am down like $350 or so, (mostly from flips , AK < JJ, QQ < AK) etc. Then right near end of night , i find myself pulling even and even squeeze out small profit, only $50 or so, but considering the beats/cooler/flips i lost, was alright with that.

Then i come up stairs and think f*ck it, people in america will be tired, and i play a bit more, and consequently lose $200 back... Dont play longer than u need to ciso

btw, why do i run so bad still even in cash ? no fair imo

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

I hate that you have to flip in today's online games. They really need to make the games deeper.

[jimmer]

I know this reply is technically wrong, but since you are judging your poker ability on one days results, my answer is based around the same strategy.

I think your playing the 50 and 100NL right?

Do you need to be putting yourself in situations where you are 'flipping' at all? You've got all your money into the middle at least 4 times (preflop i assume) on the cash tables today.

With your poker knowledge and experience, I would of thought it would be better for you to spend less time getting your money in the middle preflop and concentrating on winning marginal hands on the turn and river.

I'm sure people like miaowmiaowchowface will disagree with this answer, but it seems to me that these levels are beatable long term with a little time and patience, so (because you are judging your results over one day) why bother putting yourself in a situation where you could lose five coin flips and concentrate on situations where your poker skill comes into play.

[crack]

Do you need to be putting yourself in situations where you are 'flipping' at all?

Short answer: Yes

[miaowmiaowchowface]

pretty sure u need to move down, dno for sure obv

[Ciso_B]

more fun today... had KK 2 or 3 times vs AA... AK vs KK and lost...then now , had QTs vs 88 on QT8...now QQ vs QQ and he beats me..I suck at this game, I literally have to grind to try and break even at nl 100.... I ll try this for 1 month....then im headin back to mtt if i dont see an improvement.

PokerStars Game #33284761611: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2009/09/25 19:59:24 ET
Table 'Scania II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: joaovaz7 ($179.20 in chips)
Seat 2: DIE_LEMMA ($25 in chips)
Seat 3: Neab ($136.15 in chips)
Seat 4: Only11 ($144.20 in chips)
Seat 5: VladM1983 ($45.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Miatch15 ($218.75 in chips)
joaovaz7: posts small blind $0.50
DIE_LEMMA: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Qh Qc]
Neab: raises $2 to $3
Only11: folds
VladM1983: calls $3
Miatch15: folds
joaovaz7: folds
DIE_LEMMA: raises $9 to $12
Neab: raises $87 to $99
VladM1983: folds
DIE_LEMMA: calls $13 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($74) returned to Neab
*** FLOP *** [Td Ad Jd]
*** TURN *** [Td Ad Jd] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Td Ad Jd 7d] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DIE_LEMMA: shows [Qd Qs] (a flush, Ace high)
Neab: shows [Qh Qc] (a flush, Ace high - lower cards)
DIE_LEMMA collected $50.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $53.50 | Rake $2.65
Board [Td Ad Jd 7d 4d]
Seat 1: joaovaz7 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: DIE_LEMMA (big blind) showed [Qd Qs] and won ($50.85) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: Neab showed [Qh Qc] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: Only11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VladM1983 folded before Flop
Seat 6: Miatch15 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Ciso_B]

I played 5/6 hours...finally made a nh...

I dont deserve this shit

PokerStars Game #33289067288: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2009/09/25 22:21:27 ET
Table 'Sabine' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: gsjostrom ($128.20 in chips)
Seat 2: fourboys1 ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: kasabci ($217.85 in chips)
Seat 4: sm0kelm ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: ChevCheIios ($206.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Neab ($112.20 in chips)
ChevCheIios: posts small blind $0.50
Neab: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Ts Td]
gsjostrom: folds
fourboys1: folds
kasabci: calls $1
sm0kelm: raises $4 to $5
ChevCheIios: folds
Neab: calls $4
kasabci: folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 3c Kc]
Neab: checks
sm0kelm: bets $8
Neab: raises $20 to $28
sm0kelm: calls $20
*** TURN *** [Th 3c Kc] [Kd]
Neab: checks
sm0kelm: bets $48
Neab: raises $31.20 to $79.20 and is all-in
sm0kelm: calls $19 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($12.20) returned to Neab
*** RIVER *** [Th 3c Kc Kd] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Neab: shows [Ts Td] (a full house, Tens full of Kings)
sm0kelm: shows [9d Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Threes)
sm0kelm collected $198.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $201.50 | Rake $3
Board [Th 3c Kc Kd 3h]
Seat 1: gsjostrom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: fourboys1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kasabci folded before Flop
Seat 4: sm0kelm (button) showed [9d Kh] and won ($198.50) with a full house, Kings full of Threes
Seat 5: ChevCheIios (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Neab (big blind) showed [Ts Td] and lost with a full house, Tens full of Kings

[Ciso_B]

im not going sleep till im even...but its f*ck hard when i have to fade this shit!

PokerStars Game #33292833702: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2009/09/26 0:56:19 ET
Table 'Iocaste III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: cardsfan04 ($191 in chips)
Seat 2: WillDonate ($93.15 in chips)
Seat 3: reko84 ($434.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Neab ($100 in chips)
Seat 6: Naato88 ($117.30 in chips)
reko84: posts small blind $0.50
Neab: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Ac Kh]
Naato88: folds
cardsfan04: folds
WillDonate: folds
reko84: raises $3 to $4
Neab: raises $10 to $14
reko84: raises $15 to $29
Neab: raises $71 to $100 and is all-in
reko84: calls $71
*** FLOP *** [3s 9s Jd]
*** TURN *** [3s 9s Jd] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [3s 9s Jd 4c] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
reko84: shows [As Js] (a pair of Jacks)
Neab: shows [Ac Kh] (high card Ace)
reko84 collected $198 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $200 | Rake $2
Board [3s 9s Jd 4c 6d]
Seat 1: cardsfan04 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: WillDonate (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: reko84 (small blind) showed [As Js] and won ($198) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: Neab (big blind) showed [Ac Kh] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: Naato88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Ciso_B]

Im not gettin even,just deeper in the hole... You guys have no idea how bad i run.. Do you really think this is realistic? I've had KK vs AA like 4 or 5 times 2night.

PokerStars Game #33293240535: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2009/09/26 1:18:07 ET
Table 'Trinculo X' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: pokerstud692 ($235.05 in chips)
Seat 3: W1ld_Kard ($94.50 in chips)
Seat 4: bataa3 ($111.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Gambooooool ($131.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Neab ($100 in chips)
Gambooooool: posts small blind $0.50
Neab: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Kd Kh]
pokerstud692: folds
W1ld_Kard: folds
vtrockcrushr has returned
bataa3: raises $2.50 to $3.50
Gambooooool: folds
Neab: raises $11.50 to $15
bataa3: raises $22.50 to $37.50
Neab: raises $62.50 to $100 and is all-in
bataa3: calls $62.50
*** FLOP *** [3d 8d Ac]
*** TURN *** [3d 8d Ac] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [3d 8d Ac Qd] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Neab: shows [Kd Kh] (a pair of Kings)
bataa3: shows [Ad Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
bataa3 collected $198.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $200.50 | Rake $2
Board [3d 8d Ac Qd 2h]
Seat 1: pokerstud692 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: W1ld_Kard folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bataa3 (button) showed [Ad Ah] and won ($198.50) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 5: Gambooooool (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Neab (big blind) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings

[Ciso_B]

"play cash , play cash" , what a bunch of wankers u guys are advising me.

Im tired, been playin like 9 hours, but f*ck it, lets see how long i can go on losing.

PokerStars Game #33293765371: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2009/09/26 1:46:39 ET
Table 'Pyrrhus IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: dueblo ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: Neab ($104.40 in chips)
Seat 3: stopme10 ($204.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Will Torrez ($147.20 in chips)
Seat 5: FGators26 ($287.80 in chips)
Seat 6: mikey miz ($155.95 in chips)
Will Torrez: posts small blind $0.50
FGators26: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Qd Qs]
mikey miz: folds
dueblo: raises $2 to $3
Neab: raises $7 to $10
stopme10: folds
Will Torrez: calls $9.50
FGators26: folds
stopme10 leaves the table
ken2346 joins the table at seat #3
dueblo: raises $20 to $30
Neab: raises $74.40 to $104.40 and is all-in
Will Torrez: folds
dueblo: calls $70 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($4.40) returned to Neab
*** FLOP *** [8c Jd As]
*** TURN *** [8c Jd As] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [8c Jd As 2d] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dueblo: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Aces)
Neab: shows [Qd Qs] (a pair of Queens)
dueblo collected $208 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $211 | Rake $3
Board [8c Jd As 2d 7s]
Seat 1: dueblo showed [Ad Kc] and won ($208) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Neab showed [Qd Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: stopme10 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Will Torrez (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: FGators26 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mikey miz folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Ciso_B]

I misplayed this one...shouldn't shove flop, shud bet/call...but seriously, better hand and draw vs TJ...and punisht hat f*ck K6....

Only $300 pot

PokerStars Game #33293931008: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2009/09/26 1:56:20 ET
Table 'Trinculo X' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pokerstud692 ($351.30 in chips)
Seat 2: vtrockcrushr ($82.25 in chips)
Seat 5: Gambooooool ($117.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Neab ($123.65 in chips)
pokerstud692: posts small blind $0.50
vtrockcrushr: posts big blind $1
overun: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Ks As]
Gambooooool: raises $2 to $3
Neab: raises $6 to $9
pokerstud692: folds
vtrockcrushr: calls $8
Gambooooool: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [8s 6s 9c]
vtrockcrushr: checks
Gambooooool: checks
Neab: bets $114.65 and is all-in
vtrockcrushr: calls $73.25 and is all-in
Gambooooool: calls $108.65 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($6) returned to Neab
*** TURN *** [8s 6s 9c] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [8s 6s 9c 7c] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Gambooooool: shows [Tc Jc] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Neab: shows [Ks As] (a pair of Aces)
Gambooooool collected $70.80 from side pot
vtrockcrushr: shows [Kc 6c] (a pair of Sixes)
Gambooooool collected $245.25 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $318.05 Main pot $245.25. Side pot $70.80. | Rake $2
Board [8s 6s 9c 7c Ad]
Seat 1: pokerstud692 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: vtrockcrushr (big blind) showed [Kc 6c] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 5: Gambooooool showed [Tc Jc] and won ($316.05) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 6: Neab (button) showed [Ks As] and lost with a pair of Aces

[Ciso_B]

gotta know when to stop, bout to finish 11 hour shift.... and im pretty impressed with myself.. not broken anything! admittedly i cudda stopped earlier , but i think i only tilted for 30 mins total. Dont recall giving up more than $30 on the odd bad call. I think im down around 6/7 buyins, so like $600/$700. If i had to be brutally honest,I'd say i should be about $100 down. I havent played amazing all night, and consdiering i havent made any huge hands,except the coolers/beats i've took, then u shud be on the end of a losing sesssion right? I pulled some money out of ps,cos i dont need x amount of buyins for this limit.

Poker is a sick game tho, i4 tabled and sometimes 6 tabled tonight to exploit as much as i can, and i still end up that much down. So sick.

[jimmer]

It's interesting though your thoughts on Cash Tables compared to Tourneys.

I see tourneys as being really sick. You sit there for hours playing a solid game and then get knocked out on a bad beat and leave with nothing, yet you suggest you would rather do this, than grind away at the cash tables.

Due to time issues, I have never been able to commit more than a few hours to a game, therefore have never played anything more than a 45 seater sng's. My biggest cash has been around $14!!! Therefore cash has always been my thing.

I might try and find some time to start playing tourneys. Just to see how my mind-set handles that format.

Interesting.

[Ciso_B]

its been more of the same tonight, i dunno , maybe im dilluded about my play, its possible, but ive lost so many buyins on silly hands again, like top 2 pair vs set, flop wheel with 23s in blinds and the guy has 36 on A245 etc... I m moving over to ftp again.

I hate moving sites all the time, but seriously, am i really that bad a player?

Im willing to give cash games a month, if i dont seemaking good money/living im moving to mtts, at least there the bad beats and coolers didnt cost me lots of money.

[Ciso_B]

BYE BYE STARS...

I was playin this 1r1a mtt, and just bubbled it as i was finishing the other post...

This is for 2nd in chips,noyone on this planet runs as bad me, i hate the title, but its f*ck true.

PokerStars Game #33329411569: Tournament #196490210, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2009/09/26 23:11:36 ET
Table '196490210 59' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: tildampi (30479 in chips)
Seat 2: Neab (80398 in chips)
Seat 3: brockton ste (22377 in chips)
Seat 4: grindn4rent (101366 in chips)
Seat 5: XxxFLUSHYxX (100432 in chips)
Seat 6: tbisla67 (35075 in chips)
Seat 7: elshaf (102036 in chips)
Seat 8: kazakhdevil (22832 in chips)
Seat 9: TipsyPenguin (9787 in chips)
tildampi: posts the ante 150
Neab: posts the ante 150
brockton ste: posts the ante 150
grindn4rent: posts the ante 150
XxxFLUSHYxX: posts the ante 150
tbisla67: posts the ante 150
elshaf: posts the ante 150
kazakhdevil: posts the ante 150
TipsyPenguin: posts the ante 150
grindn4rent: posts small blind 800
XxxFLUSHYxX: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Qs Qd]
tbisla67: folds
elshaf: folds
kazakhdevil: folds
TipsyPenguin: folds
tildampi: folds
Neab: raises 3200 to 4800
brockton ste: folds
grindn4rent: raises 12195 to 16995
XxxFLUSHYxX: folds
Neab: raises 63253 to 80248 and is all-in
grindn4rent: calls 63253
*** FLOP *** [2s 8d 9c]
*** TURN *** [2s 8d 9c] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [2s 8d 9c Ks] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
grindn4rent: shows [Jh Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Neab: shows [Qs Qd] (a pair of Queens)
grindn4rent collected 163446 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 163446 | Rake 0
Board [2s 8d 9c Ks Jc]
Seat 1: tildampi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Neab showed [Qs Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: brockton ste (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: grindn4rent (small blind) showed [Jh Jd] and won (163446) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 5: XxxFLUSHYxX (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: tbisla67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: elshaf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: kazakhdevil folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: TipsyPenguin folded before Flop (didn't bet)