Cheating at on line poker???

[gr8johnson]

I was playing last night on Pokerstars ( not sure if I can use site names but there is an ad for this one at the top of the page as I write this some it might be ok). Just a $5 one table sit and go. One guy was killing every one early and some one that got busted accused him of using some sort of program to cheat. Is this going on? I would think that if it was, that it would be at the really high stakes tables. He must not have been using it though because I came back from a 5 to 1 chip difference to kill him when we got heads up (a bit of luck, but hey it takes luck sometimes). Any way, are people really using these programs and how do the sites prevent it? Is there software I can use to prevent it? Thanks.

[zinn0]

[Muck]

There has only been one recorded poker cheating incident I know of which occurred on Absolute Poker and was perpetrated by staff using administrator accounts.

The client server architecture behind on-line poker makes it very easy to secure from the inside, so client side attacks are unrealistic. The only other exploit is card prediction but again the technology behind the algorithms use makes this impractical too.

Collusion does happen but it’s a form of cheating that doesn’t exploit any weakness in the software itself, plus the edge it offers my opinion is minimal.

[HalfSugar]

Ari Gold ladies and gentleman - the best damn TV character ever

[Jauron]

The same thing happens in live poker. The reason you came back (probably) is the same shitty play that allowed him to bust people early cost him later.

There can be no program to allow anyone to see what cards are coming (they use a random number generator for that) the only cheats would be what you have in your hand. When the guy starts making the thinnest of value bets every time he's got you pip'd you can start to wonder.

[zinn0]

Ari Gold ladies and gentleman - the best damn TV character ever

qft

[Felting]

There has only been one recorded poker cheating incident I know of which occurred on Absolute Poker and was perpetrated by staff using administrator accounts.

The client server architecture behind on-line poker makes it very easy to secure from the inside, so client side attacks are unrealistic. The only other exploit is card prediction but again the technology behind the algorithms use makes this impractical too.

Collusion does happen but it’s a form of cheating that doesn’t exploit any weakness in the software itself, plus the edge it offers my opinion is minimal.

Ultimate bet also had a cheating due to a program glitch.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Muck, the way you say it makes it sound like it was an isolated incident, when in fact this went on for months against literally dozens of players on both AP and UB. So it was "one incident," but it spanned a long time period and was broken by players, not by the sites themselves, who have still not been complete in their disclosure.

I don't think this happens in $5 SnG's. I don't think it happens on the "major sites" (ie Stars and FT). But I would never, ever play on the CEREUS network.

[Kemics]

i was speaking to a friend in the pub today who reckons there has been some scandal on stars recently. I havn't heard anything about it, was this just pub chat bollocks?

[supafrey]

i was speaking to a friend in the pub today who reckons there has been some scandal on stars recently. I havn't heard anything about it, was this just pub chat bollocks?

just bs.

[Muck]

I thought UB was the same scam and people but with a different skin. Glitch?. I’d like to know more if only from a professional curious. Can you PM me a link please.

Muck, the way you say it makes it sound like it was an isolated incident, when in fact this went on for months against literally dozens of players on both AP and UB. So it was "one incident," but it spanned a long time period and was broken by players, not by the sites themselves, who have still not been complete in their disclosure.

Sorry Diamond I wasn’t trying to down play the significance of the problem. I think it’s awful and I’ve since made a point of highlighting the fact that I was wrong about the competence and credibility I originally imagined the major sites had.

I was phrasing me response to assert that “No geek ha><orz sitting in their parents basement can’t cheat you from the client end, but some trusted suit within the company can f**k you just like your bank manager.â€

[Felting]

I thought UB was the same scam and people but with a different skin. Glitch?. I’d like to know more if only from a professional curious. Can you PM me a link please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltimateBet


Seems the correct explanation is that AP's was done using a superuser account and UB's was done by "Unathorized Code" inserted into the program.

The cheating at UB started prior to the merger of the two sites.

[crack]

Collusion does happen but it’s a form of cheating that doesn’t exploit any weakness in the software itself, plus the edge it offers my opinion is minimal.

That's wrong mate. The edge it can offer is huge done by the right people.

Yes, it's true that two people on the phone or whatever telling each other their holecards who don't really have a clue about what they are doing probably won't hinder your results that much.

But let's say for example people were playing partners in games like Omaha or Triple draw. You will get killed. Think of the advantage someone can get by seeing an extra 4 or 8 cards in an Omaha game, or knows his partner passed 2 deuces in triple draw and he is holding a deuce? They can completely carve you up. The UB/AP scandal may come as a shock to some but it didn't really to me. People seem to forget or don't know that before it was televised, poker was one of the most dirtiest games around, even right up to the top. Some of the so called legends used to be the filthiest in the game. It probably still is in some cases.

[eezie]

I read about the Ult Bet and Abs Poker scandals. Both got a bit of TV news coverage also. I believe both involved amounts in the millions of dollars.

I would suspect all online sites cheat. They are basically self-regulated. A lot of money involved. Millions of dollars being taken in at these sites. Would be hard to resist doubling the take just by knocking off 2nd place in a few tourneys each day. I find it hard to believe the type of people who are running offshore, online gambling sites are so honest as not to cheat the players - skim some cash.

The difference between Ult Bet/Abs Poker and all the other sites is probably that UB and AP cheaters got caught. The others have not yet.

eezie




[quote="gr8johnson"]I was playing last night on Pokerstars ( not sure if I can use site names but there is an ad for this one at the top of the page as I write this some it might be ok). Just a $5 one table sit and go. One guy was killing every one early and some one that got busted accused him of using some sort of program to cheat. Is this going on? I would think that if it was, that it would be at the really high stakes tables. He must not have been using it though because I came back from a 5 to 1 chip difference to kill him when we got heads up (a bit of luck, but hey it takes luck sometimes). Any way, are people really using these programs and how do the sites prevent it? Is there software I can use to prevent it? Thanks.[/quote]

[Felting]

I read about the Ult Bet and Abs Poker scandals. Both got a bit of TV news coverage also. I believe both involved amounts in the millions of dollars.

I would suspect all online sites cheat. They are basically self-regulated. A lot of money involved. Millions of dollars being taken in at these sites. Would be hard to resist doubling the take just by knocking off 2nd place in a few tourneys each day. I find it hard to believe the type of people who are running offshore, online gambling sites are so honest as not to cheat the players - skim some cash.

The difference between Ult Bet/Abs Poker and all the other sites is probably that UB and AP cheaters got caught. The others have not yet.

eezie

One gigantic hole in your theory, the players.

Yes, it is true that the UB and AP cheating went on for a while, but both where caught in due time by mathematically gifted players. There are too many very smart players that would notice abnormal play and check it out.

Another is the fact that sites like PS have a cash machine just from the rake/tourney juice, why on earth would they want to risk killing it by running a corrupt game?