Common Mistakes

Nighttrain · by **Nighttrain** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:12 pm GMT

I see so many people draw to straights when a flush can be on board or drawing to flushes when a pair is on board.Dont get your money in when your drawing dead,just dont.Im sure most of the players here know this but,I see it everyday.....Don't be that guy.

HalfSugar · by **HalfSugar** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:37 pm GMT

My absolute favourite which makes me laugh cos so many people do it, is when some1 is holding a low pocket pair and 2 (higher) pairs come up on the board. Some fail to grasp that their pair is now worthless and get outkicked by some other guy and then complain. I love that :lol:

Nighttrain · by **Nighttrain** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 2:47 am GMT

very tru geno...it really does throw people off,there in their own hand and dont realize anything but that.We should think of common mistakes and have a database for players to read......God knows I would read it occasionally :shock:

Absolution · by **Absolution** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:49 am GMT

This could become a very long thread. There are so many bonehead plays out there. Just today, I raised 5x BB preflop with Ajs on the button even. Two people called. One guy has A3d and the other A5o. Someone needs to get the word out that Ace rag is not worth calling a raise in early position. Funny thing is, the flop came AT4 rainbow and didn't make the guy's diamonds. So of course he goes all-in. He beat me with a 3 on the river, but honestly, do they have any brains? Why would you call with that hand early and then try to semi-bluff all-in in first position when someone raised pre-flop behind you? I mean, if the guy had his flush draw I could see it (even though he was stupid to stay in in the first place). This isn't rocket science or advanced game theory, it's just common sense. I'd like to be helpful to the guy and try to explain how bad a play it was, but the sheer amount of stupidity displayed and the fact that he caught his miracle card made it pointless. Plus, it's nice to have clueless players around to increase our stacks.

Anyway, the biggest mistake I see is just people playing out of position with crap hands. They don't even have a grasp of the fundamentals. They are going to lose so much money over the long run just from this, but I guess making that 2-outer once in a while is enough to keep them going. Those are the same people who play casino games on hunches. At least learn the basic strategy people. It's either that or they are the WPT generation. They think poker is played like the final table of WPT event. I think that is the main reason they play crappy hands. They see a pro do it at a final table when the blinds are huge and it's shorthanded.

There are less obvious stupid plays as well. Most people I've seen will NOT let go of pocket queens or jacks no matter what happens pre-flop. I'll raise, and then re-raise them with Kings or Aces and they still call. They are obviously beat. It stings when they draw out on me. Most are just too clueless to realize that a re-raise preflop probably means AA or KK, but I guess some are just so used to people calling all-in with crap like Kxs.

alphakenny1 · by **alphakenny1** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:55 pm GMT

Geno wrote:My absolute favourite which makes me laugh cos so many people do it, is when some1 is holding a low pocket pair and 2 (higher) pairs come up on the board. Some fail to grasp that their pair is now worthless and get outkicked by some other guy and then complain. I love that

LMAO. yea i love it when that happens. i was in a tournament. and the flop was kkj with two people in the pot. the guy acting first bet out. the second guy calls. the next card comes j, the guy in early position raises, the second guy goes all in. the guy in first position thinks for a while and calls. the second guy shows A5 for two pair and top kicker. the first guy shows pocket 3's two pair with 3 kicker...i was rolling when he did this. of course he lost and yea. after the hand, i asked him "ey you know that you called off a lot of your money with two pair and a 3 kicker? the only hand that you beat is 2,2." and the dude was like "yea but there was some stretegy behind the call." i'll leave it at that.

ey yo absolution. yea it sucks when stupid idiots outdraw you on the river. but hey what can you do? the way i approach to these idiots are that i dont care if they call my raise as long as im a statistical favorite, go ahead and call. im giving horrible pot odds to draw to that flush or straight. i dont care if they call. cuz as long as them idiots call, like you said they will lose to me in the long run.

nicthestick · by **nicthestick** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:56 pm GMT

SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! DONT TELL THEM THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE WANT THEM TO THINK THAT A5 IN A RAISING HAND FROM ANY POSITION. I saw GUS HANSEN do it, and he is REAL good.

cayouche · by **cayouche** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 2:55 pm GMT

Yeah I saw him raise with 2-4 offsuit, that must be good then... :lol:

nicthestick · by **nicthestick** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 2:57 pm GMT

I love 4/2 off

Absolution · by **Absolution** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:02 pm GMT

Ace rag offsuit - The hand of champions.

wEbMaStEr · by **wEbMaStEr** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:10 pm GMT

my all time all time favourites are those who call with nothing, putting themselves all in in the process because they think they can make a bluff that way!
i mean !
come on!
what is that all about ?

Absolution · by **Absolution** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:28 pm GMT

haha, no doubt. I see that all the time. They get you pot committed and then try to bluff with all in. DUDE, you committed me to the pot, I'm not going to fold for 1/6th of the pot now if I have any chance of taking it. haha. Or how about when they try to get you to fold with min-raises after a large pre-flop pot. Oh, okay, thanks for the free draw and odds.

feverpa · by **feverpa** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:37 am GMT

HOWEVER!!!

I love to play off this subject...

If I'm playing well... taking down a lot of pots... showing down with the nuts... and winning without showing when I'm bluffing or semi bluffing...

occassionally... from a blind position (when only 2 or 3 in the pot) or from one off the button (not from the button, it's too obvious)

I'll raise, or even re-raise before the flop with absolute trash... 4-7 unsuited... etc...

it only has to work once... flop a straight, or an open ended straight draw.. then when you show them what you raised or re-raised with... they have one of two reactions... both are beneficial for you... they either think you are a god... or they think you are an idiot...

This is what Gus Hansen is doing, but people have no clue that he doesn't play EVERY trash hand.

Absolution · by **Absolution** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:07 am GMT

You can't really compare what we are doing to Gus. Gus has world wide name recognition. The guy won a crapload of money last year and everybody in those tournaments knows it. It's like Ivey. They have this image of being a 'god' before they even sit down.

nicthestick · by **nicthestick** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:02 am GMT

I understand the playing tight and winning a lot with the nutz and then "accidentily" winning with 42 offsuit. Ive done it, and now the fellas I play with hate to get involved with me.

Karaya1 · by **Karaya1** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:24 am GMT

Yea, i love the small bet to a big pot, unreal.
I had KA the other day, guy calls a reasonable size pre flop bet.($3 maybe?)
Flop come siwht three rags. He bets a quarter, a fricken quarter!!! Of course i call. Nothing again. Another whopping 25 cent bet. I call. King falls. He bets another 25, i re-reaise 2 dollars, he calls with a pair of sixes!
Then calls me an idiot for calling his bets.

I just laughed.

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