Crazy Rough Hand

[Brucio]

PokerStars Game #23671316725: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2009/01/07 17:59:18 ET
Table 'Ducrosa VIII' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: CYD DAWGS PB ($3.05 in chips)
Seat 3: fxguy99 ($4.66 in chips)
Seat 4: IHazACarrot ($4.98 in chips)
Seat 5: chechu65 ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 6: RealPatzer ($3.24 in chips)
Seat 7: riggedbyme ($9.61 in chips)
Seat 9: bedubyah08 ($1.66 in chips)
IHazACarrot: posts small blind $0.01
chechu65: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IHazACarrot [7d 8d]
RealPatzer: raises $0.04 to $0.06
riggedbyme: folds
bedubyah08: folds
CYD DAWGS PB: folds
fxguy99: calls $0.06
IHazACarrot: calls $0.05
chechu65: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 2c 7c]
IHazACarrot: checks
RealPatzer: bets $0.14
fxguy99: raises $0.24 to $0.38
IHazACarrot: raises $0.24 to $0.62
RealPatzer: folds
fxguy99: calls $0.24
*** TURN *** [8c 2c 7c] [7s]
IHazACarrot: checks
fxguy99: bets $1.08
IHazACarrot: raises $1.08 to $2.16
fxguy99: calls $1.08
*** RIVER *** [8c 2c 7c 7s] [3d]
IHazACarrot: bets $2.14 and is all-in
fxguy99: calls $1.82 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.32) returned to IHazACarrot
*** SHOW DOWN ***
IHazACarrot: shows [7d 8d] (a full house, Sevens full of Eights)
fxguy99: shows [8h 8s] (a full house, Eights full of Sevens)
fxguy99 collected $9.09 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9.54 | Rake $0.45
Board [8c 2c 7c 7s 3d]
Seat 2: CYD DAWGS PB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: fxguy99 (button) showed [8h 8s] and won ($9.09) with a full house, Eights full of Sevens
Seat 4: IHazACarrot (small blind) showed [7d 8d] and lost with a full house, Sevens full of Eights
Seat 5: chechu65 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: RealPatzer folded on the Flop
Seat 7: riggedbyme folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bedubyah08 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

lol

[Felting]

Open Fold, playing suited connectors OOP against a raise is a major leak.

You want to play these hands from the cut off and the button in multi-way pots.

[Brucio]

Well it was a very small raise, so I figured it was worth it if I hit a flop.

So you are saying I should only play them when everyone limps/folds and I have good position?

[buckeyes77]

Felting is absolutely correct. Definite fold pre-flop unless you were dying to play a hand for some reason, and especially since you were OOP. This kind of hand has the most value when you open the raising in decent position, otherwise limp in or fold to just about any raise over 2BB.

Also, that check on the flop is WOW. Keep em coming, this is good stuff although I've never seen micro games like this before so I'm not sure how the general player players style-wise in this type of game.

[Felting]

Well it was a very small raise, so I figured it was worth it if I hit a flop.

So you are saying I should only play them when everyone limps/folds and I have good position?

Actually it was a standard raise(3-5xbb). Start thinking in terms of multiples of the big blind, not absolute $ amounts.


yes, you want at least 2 limpers in front of you and very good position. If it is reraised behind you, called around, and, the important part, you can close the action by calling, it is right to call then since you are being laid very good pot and implied odds plus you still have position.

[Jauron]

Why check the flop?
Why mini-raise on the flop C/R especially with that much action.
Check raising the turn is pointless, you defined your range on the flop, checking here means only strong hands should be betting. Again mini-raising is terrible.

I don't think you have the post flop skills to be playing this hand OOP to a raise, fold it.

Don't post result.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

preflop is fine, the rest is pretty bad. stop being so stupidly trappy and minraisy. dont post ressults

[Felting]

preflop is fine

I think you are basing that on your skill level of post flop play, not his.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

point taken

[gumbie]

preflop is fine

I think you are basing that on your skill level of post flop play, not his.

I'd base it on the postflop skill level of his opponents and say it's fine too.

[MrDarling]

I'd base it on the postflop skill level of his opponents and say it's fine too.

Its really hard to compensate the power of position in poker. So our skill edge have to be really big to play this kind of hands profitably OOP, so I say its a fold from the SB, especially since we are not closing the action PF.

[Nimradel]

This debate reminds me of a similar hand I played recently. Overall this was a loose-passive table, so my strategy was to try to take advantage of cheap flops like the one below.

PokerStars Game #23728595551: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/09 13:32:58 ET
Table 'Gyas' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: kebyamaya ($1.65 in chips)
Seat 2: LeyronP ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 3: Deano4444 ($10.95 in chips)
Seat 4: zlo777 ($6.30 in chips)
Seat 5: bigkrs ($10.55 in chips)
Seat 6: bolle2106 ($10 in chips)
Seat 7: JMY1000 ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 8: KASUN1 ($19.60 in chips)
Seat 9: Poko22 ($9.45 in chips)
KASUN1: posts small blind $0.05
Poko22: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Poko22 [9h 7h]
kebyamaya: folds
LeyronP: raises $0.10 to $0.20
Deano4444: folds
zlo777: folds
bigkrs: calls $0.20
bolle2106: calls $0.20
JMY1000: folds
KASUN1: folds
Poko22: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [Jh 8s 5c]
Poko22: checks
LeyronP: checks
bigkrs: bets $0.10
bolle2106: calls $0.10
Poko22: calls $0.10
LeyronP: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [Jh 8s 5c] [Jc]
Poko22: checks
LeyronP: checks
bigkrs: bets $0.10
KASUN1 is sitting out
bolle2106: calls $0.10
Poko22: calls $0.10
LeyronP: calls $0.10
*** RIVER *** [Jh 8s 5c Jc] [Ts]
Poko22: checks
LeyronP: checks
KASUN1 leaves the table
bigkrs: bets $0.30
bolle2106: raises $1.20 to $1.50
Poko22: calls $1.50
LeyronP: folds
bigkrs: raises $1.50 to $3
bolle2106: raises $6.60 to $9.60 and is all-in
Poko22: ?

Should I be folding this pre? I feel I have at least something of an edge over most players at these limits.

Thoughts on my initial check/flat on the river?

Call this push?

[buckeyes77]

I wouldn't fold this hand-preflop in your situation and I don't have any problem with how you played this hand on any street. I would fold on the river though. You are beat by possible hands J10 and Q9 - and you have not 1, but 2 players against you who are betting/raising with authority on the river no less. Someone has to have one of those hands, and I would venture someone holds the J10.