Curious on lines

[Felix]

Was just messing around in a $4.40 this evening, and one of those marginal hands came up. I picked up AJ in MP, with two limpers. Blinds are 150/300/25, wondering if anyone makes a play here to take down the pot preflop with so much action to come behind them or just lets it go.

PokerStars Game #13210951649: Tournament #67031229, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2007/11/13 - 02:19:50 (ET)
Table '67031229 7' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Gonefishin56 (6287 in chips)
Seat 2: mp1970222 (6532 in chips)
Seat 3: BBQBeeFCaKe (2640 in chips)
Seat 4: redsoxfan54 (13507 in chips)
Seat 5: H. The horse (18094 in chips)
Seat 6: HngForkCues (12452 in chips)
Seat 7: Bicycle (17959 in chips)
Seat 8: KFX_Felix (5620 in chips)
Gonefishin56: posts the ante 25
mp1970222: posts the ante 25
BBQBeeFCaKe: posts the ante 25
redsoxfan54: posts the ante 25
H. The horse: posts the ante 25
HngForkCues: posts the ante 25
Bicycle: posts the ante 25
KFX_Felix: posts the ante 25
mp1970222: posts small blind 150
BBQBeeFCaKe: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KFX_Felix [As Jd]
redsoxfan54: folds
H. The horse: folds
HngForkCues: calls 300
Bicycle: calls 300
KFX_Felix: ?

[MrDarling]

The only play you have in you is to push. Your M is pretty low so I don't hate it and your hand fair well against their limping range.

Depends on my image, and the way the table play, I think I push here often.

[jimmer]

Depends on my image, and the way the table play, I think I push here often.

Do you mean with an M of around 10, against the big stacks or in general?

Also, if it's based on an M of around 10-where is the upper and lower limits of this decision?

thanks

[Muck]

Okay his M is about 8.5 which isn’t too unhealthy.

But M pushes are normally considered when working with an unopened pot. The two limpers mean a standard raise (e.g. 1200) probably wouldn’t leave him with much fold equity in his remaining stack if someone called (pot 3050).

So this does look like a push or fold. I don’t think I’d limp with AJ from such an early position unless my stack was much healthier (but I’m pretty conservative).

[Jauron]

I'd call the CO late position. I'd consider a raise to ~1500. A push isn't bad but I think you have enough play left to just raise it up here with position. If you were in the blinds I'd consider pushing rather than trying to play OOP but I think a raise here is fine.

[UrAteUp]

I agree with those who said to push pre-flop. Possibility of too many hands out there you don't want to see a cheap flop. At this point in your tournament you have to play to get in better position for the win.

[Jefecaminador]

I'd call the CO late position. I'd consider a raise to ~1500. A push isn't bad but I think you have enough play left to just raise it up here with position. If you were in the blinds I'd consider pushing rather than trying to play OOP but I think a raise here is fine.

With your stack that small I don't really think position really comes into the equation. If you raise here you pretty much have to push the flop.

If you raise in position and someone leads into you on the flop, are you really gonna fold? I can't imagine any flop I'd do that on.

[ninetensuited]

why are we trying to push a weak hand when we still have 17xbb? this is just wrong (IMO), just call behind and fold when you miss, or fold preflop, your not getting the two limpers out w/ a standard raise.

[Azirapheal]

I dislike a shove here tbh. We're not short and we're not getting called by a hand we beat, which isn't a good move when we have play left with our stack. I vote call or 1,000 raise. We still have 4.7k when they call or fold, and have position on the limpers.

[Felix]

Good ideas, I decided to fold in the hand above.

I dislike playing this hand for a few reasons:

1. We raise to 1k, both loose limpers call, flop comes a random assortment that didn't hit our hand (T 9 2), we cbet and someone comes over the top. We're now crippled.

2. We raise to 1k, someone later to act comes over the top. Now what?

3. We shove. Now we're either only getting called by hands that beat ours (AQ AK) or that we flip with.