Dealer move your chips into the pot immediately when u Fold?

[cuttlefishcake]

I've got 2 questions

I'm suppose to be dealing a proper game of texas for a mini company event that my boss is holding for my company department, well some sort of a 'get together texas hold em' session'
and my boss nominates me to deal the game....

need to get some help from u guys here ok?
even though i read thru rules and guides on 'how to deal texas' , some doubts still within me,

1) a player was re-raised by another player, and he decides to fold. So when the player throws his cards to me to indicate Fold, do i also Immediately collect the chips that he has bet for that betting round, and place them into the pot straight away? Or do i wait until the end when all players has made their decisions?

2) after the betting round has ended, i'm suppose to collect all the bet chips from each player, and place them into the pot right? If so, do i stack them nicely? or just push them and pile them into 1 big messy lump? how does the dealers do it in a actual tournament like the world poker series?

I hope to be give a good impression by dealing with the proper procedures and official actions that a casino dealer would have

Many thanks for the answers

[Muck]

I think chip handling is more about etiquette rather than hard rules. Most of the people I’ve played with toss their own chips into the pot when they fold or the dealer collects them at that point.

As for tidiness I don’t think it’s very important. As long the boundaries of the pot are clear and people can see roughly how much is in it they don’t mind. They can always ask for a count if they’re unsure.

That’s said there are some dealers on here who could probably give you a more official line. I’m use to the self deal stuff mainly.

[supafrey]

I've got 2 questions

I'm suppose to be dealing a proper game of texas for a mini company event that my boss is holding for my company department, well some sort of a 'get together texas hold em' session'
and my boss nominates me to deal the game....

need to get some help from u guys here ok?
even though i read thru rules and guides on 'how to deal texas' , some doubts still within me,

1) a player was re-raised by another player, and he decides to fold. So when the player throws his cards to me to indicate Fold, do i also Immediately collect the chips that he has bet for that betting round, and place them into the pot straight away? Or do i wait until the end when all players has made their decisions?
Player A bets 100. Player B calls. Player C raises to 300. Player A folds. At this time, player B is thinking. The dealer is correct in taking player A's 100 chips and pulling them into the pot while B thinks. The extra money can only confuse someone. You leave player B's 100 in front of him until he makes a decision.
2) after the betting round has ended, i'm suppose to collect all the bet chips from each player, and place them into the pot right? If so, do i stack them nicely? or just push them and pile them into 1 big messy lump? how does the dealers do it in a actual tournament like the world poker series?
Yes, you're supposed to place them in to the pot. In every casino I've ever been in, the dealers are instructed to pull the chips into one disorganized messy pile. They are then forbidden from "spreading out the pot" or giving out any information about how much is already in there. This is meant to encourage a "friendly" atmosphere and benefits weaker players... They don't want people to be sitting around calculating odds, they just want them betting and raising thoughtlessly. Because of this, dealers are told to tip over stacks before dragging them in.

I hope to be give a good impression by dealing with the proper procedures and official actions that a casino dealer would have

Many thanks for the answers

[supafrey]

I think chip handling is more about etiquette rather than hard rules. Most of the people I’ve played with toss their own chips into the pot when they fold or the dealer collects them at that point.
There are very strict rules of procedure, most dealers just don't follow them. I am like 90% certain the money is supposed to be pulled in immediately by the dealer, but i'm not sure what happens when there's super complicated bets/raises. If player A makes it 100, b calls, then C raises, then A re-raises to 400, I've seen different dealers manage the piles in different ways. When there's a fold just pull it in
As for tidiness I don’t think it’s very important. As long the boundaries of the pot are clear and people can see roughly how much is in it they don’t mind. They can always ask for a count if they’re unsure.
You are never allowed to ask a tournament dealer in a casino or the WSOP for a pot count. Untidiness is a strict rule for dealers, 100%
That’s said there are some dealers on here who could probably give you a more official line. I’m use to the self deal stuff mainly.

[Kemics]

Are you serious, thats abusrd, why shoudlnt you be allowed to know how much your betting for? Its pretty easy to work out either way, but i dont see why that information would be actively withheld.

[supafrey]

Are you serious, thats abusrd, why shoudlnt you be allowed to know how much your betting for? Its pretty easy to work out either way, but i dont see why that information would be actively withheld.

It's not the dealer's job to help you figure out whether to bet/fold/call. It is their job to deal the cards and insure the game is fair. All of the information is being provided to you with prior actions - it's a "skill" to be able to count it, i guess.

Also, it slows down the game counting up pots, and encourages a more predatory attitude. This kills fishies too quickly.

[HalfSugar]

Supa, if you are indeed serious, then I am stunned. It makes sense to not piss about counting the pot all the time and good players who have been following the action properly will have a good idea of the pot size anyway but it is still surprising.

Saying that, in the WSOP game I played this year, the Internet phenom kid to my left asked the dealer to spread a pot out once while he was tanking on the river about whether to call a bet and the dealer obliged without hesitation. Like you say though, most dealers probably do not follow the rules too closely.

[Muck]

I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a rule to say dealers can’t count the pot. I never really thought about it just because I’ve often asked “how much is in the potâ€

[MrDarling]

never knew this rule. However in PL the dealer does count the pot.
Also, am pretty sure the dealer is obliged to spread the pot when a player ask.

[cuttlefishcake]

hi to everyone who contributed and posted here, thanks so much for the comments and ideas.

they are all useful to me to get my dealing procedures correct for my event.

it will sure help in me to deal properly in front of my BOSS !!
(ya know! give him a good impression that i really know my stuff eh.... when it comes to betting eh )

as the players that i would be facing more or less knows how to play the game or had rough ideas of what a game would be like in the casino, they should be equipped with the right game ethics and know what to do .
so i'm hoping that there's no request for pot counts when it comes to the River and there's like, a whole big pile of disorganised chips of all colours .... woooohhh.... *cross my fingers*

thanks guys

[supafrey]

I am always "serious".

Anyways, "spreading the pot" is very loosely enforced, for obvious reasons. I have been told by a couple dealers that they were allowed to spread the chips, but silently. Whatever. Either way it's gonna be a big mess of chips and you're not going to get a pot count. You may notice that some dealers have a habit of leaving one of their hands on the pot and mindlessly pulling the pot into a smaller and smaller pile as the game progresses. Habit I, guess.

Obviously in a PL game this would be different, as knowing the pot size is vital. This isn't the case for NL/FL.