Deep spot with bottom set

[odlozilik]

Stage #1772815721: Holdem No Limit $1 - 2009-11-30 05:22:51 (ET)

Table: BELGIUM HWY (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer

Seat 4 - MURDOCPWR ($107.25 in chips)
Seat 5 - ODLOZILIK ($195.40 in chips)
Seat 6 - JEAN_CHRIS ($207.65 in chips)
Seat 1 - HAMOBUILDER59 ($441.05 in chips)
Seat 2 - DOUBLEDZ143 ($29.75 in chips)
Seat 3 - DONKACIDE ($117.20 in chips)

ODLOZILIK - Posts small blind $0.50
JEAN_CHRIS - Posts big blind $1

*** POCKET CARDS ***

Dealt to ODLOZILIK [3s 3h]

HAMOBUILDER59 - Raises $3.50 to $3.50
DOUBLEDZ143 - Calls $3.50
DONKACIDE - Folds
MURDOCPWR - Folds
ODLOZILIK - Calls $3
JEAN_CHRIS - Folds

*** FLOP *** [8h 3c 10c]

ODLOZILIK - Checks
HAMOBUILDER59 - Bets $11.50
DOUBLEDZ143 - All-In(Raise) $26.25 to $26.25
ODLOZILIK - Calls $26.25
HAMOBUILDER59 - Calls $14.75

*** TURN *** [8h 3c 10c] [9h]

ODLOZILIK - Bets $47
HAMOBUILDER59 - Calls $47

*** RIVER *** [8h 3c 10c 9h] [7s]

What do you do on this ugly river? Shove, check call, check fold? Would you raise the flop? Turn betsize? Villain runs 34/13 over 77 hands, no specific reads.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Well, shoving is out, that's for damn sure.

[Jauron]

Against unknown I like bet/fold here. If he is aggressive enough to raise you without straight I'd go check/call. I think you can make a case for c/f here if he's tightish.

What is up with turn half pot bet? You have a very strong hand, and a very drawy turn card, jam that pot up good imo.

[odlozilik]

The pot is about 180, I have 120 or so, how can I ever bet/fold? If I bet, that's shove for sure.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

this is pretty ugly, but I think i would just c/c, because he doesnt have much reason to have a straight here

[REDMAN]

I would hate myself for doing it but i fold. I would put one on trip 10s and the other on the str8.
Am i right?

[odlozilik]

I would hate myself for doing it but i fold. I would put one on trip 10s and the other on the str8.
Am i right?

You would fold where? On the flop? Really?

[REDMAN]

I would fold on the turn or river.

[REDMAN]

I would be very worried on the flop but probbly call but you have a raise and a reraise on the flop. clearly you have to be woried about pocket 10's on the flop.

[odlozilik]

I would fold on the turn or river.

I can't fold on those streets because I am not facing any bet yet.

[REDMAN]

I miss read the hand I did not realize you were the one betting on the turn. That changed things some and makes it much harder to fold. I can see why you bet with a scary board. I probably go broke on this hand trying to chase out the draws. But 10's are a very strong posibility.

[REDMAN]

I would check call or check fold the river. Likely check call. Sorry for not understanding the question.

[odlozilik]

OK, result:
we both checked the river, villain showed QQ, shorstack busted nutflush draw.

[Ensano]

i think c/c is your best bet... even an idiot would be hard pressed to call with an overpair but you might induce a bluff....

[Felting]

I would be very worried on the flop but probbly call but you have a raise and a reraise on the flop. clearly you have to be woried about pocket 10's on the flop.

FFS we just flopped a set. If it's set over set then the EV should be 0 because we should stack off just about every time we have a smaller set and stack off the other guy every time we have the larger one.

With the preflop raise I'd say overpairs and A T are more likely.

I c/c the river.