Deepstack Advice
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Deepstack Advice
Hi,
I won a seat to a live event. There will be just 200 of us, all amateurs, playing for a main event first prize of about $15,000.
With 40 minute blinds and a 10,000 starting stack, this is going to be alien territory for me and I'd like to know if there is a more optimum way to play deepstack than the typical TAG approach of the typical SNG/MTT 1500 chip, 7 minute blind affairs.
On the whole I play a standard TAG game, loosening up in LP, gear changing as required and pressuring with air when I sense weakness. In the early stages, when the blinds are small in relation to the stacks, I have a very wide range and will play all SCs, some unsuited connectors, most J and Q, all Kx & Ax suited, and complete the SB unless it's pure trash like 93.
Apart from any general advice you can give me, I am wondering whether the deep stack will allow for a more LAG style as per above and what about all in moves - yay or nay? In 1500 chip tourneys, you very often move all in due to the lack of FE and/or maximising your winnings so is this still the case or does the deepstack mean we should be less risky?
Cheers.
I won a seat to a live event. There will be just 200 of us, all amateurs, playing for a main event first prize of about $15,000.
With 40 minute blinds and a 10,000 starting stack, this is going to be alien territory for me and I'd like to know if there is a more optimum way to play deepstack than the typical TAG approach of the typical SNG/MTT 1500 chip, 7 minute blind affairs.
On the whole I play a standard TAG game, loosening up in LP, gear changing as required and pressuring with air when I sense weakness. In the early stages, when the blinds are small in relation to the stacks, I have a very wide range and will play all SCs, some unsuited connectors, most J and Q, all Kx & Ax suited, and complete the SB unless it's pure trash like 93.
Apart from any general advice you can give me, I am wondering whether the deep stack will allow for a more LAG style as per above and what about all in moves - yay or nay? In 1500 chip tourneys, you very often move all in due to the lack of FE and/or maximising your winnings so is this still the case or does the deepstack mean we should be less risky?
Cheers.
Last edited by Sentinel on Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:22 pm GMT, edited 1 time in total.
- Sentinel
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I don't like shoving allins if the structure is good. I would say give the illusion you're playin loose by laying more hands then you usually would, but only if its cheap to. That way you are enticing some action when you got a big hand. I would say pay attention to your opponents, play as many hands in position as you can if cheap and have fun sentinel, not often you get a nice structure.
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Ciso_B - Online MTT God
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Thx Ciso.
Thw question about an all in is more to do with EV and looking a tool. Eg: 1500 stack, 300 in the pot, opp bets 300, pushing all in is good. Doing so for a 600 pot with 10,000 could be overkill. Is it understandable play to shove in these situations or woudl you just look like an inexperienced online maniac? Lol.
You mention playing a lot of hands if cheap to do so and I think that's good advice. As stacks are going to be deep for a while, and if cheap enough, is playing loose as I mentioned ok or just a sure fire way to slowly blow your chips? On one hand I don't see the point in being ultra nitty yet also don't want to spew unecessarily.
Eg: if I hold 89 diamonds, I'll often limp along but will muck if raised. Should I still do the same in a deepstack or does the large stack and slow structure mean I am justified to call a 3xbb raise in the hope of flopping big?
Thx
Thw question about an all in is more to do with EV and looking a tool. Eg: 1500 stack, 300 in the pot, opp bets 300, pushing all in is good. Doing so for a 600 pot with 10,000 could be overkill. Is it understandable play to shove in these situations or woudl you just look like an inexperienced online maniac? Lol.
You mention playing a lot of hands if cheap to do so and I think that's good advice. As stacks are going to be deep for a while, and if cheap enough, is playing loose as I mentioned ok or just a sure fire way to slowly blow your chips? On one hand I don't see the point in being ultra nitty yet also don't want to spew unecessarily.
Eg: if I hold 89 diamonds, I'll often limp along but will muck if raised. Should I still do the same in a deepstack or does the large stack and slow structure mean I am justified to call a 3xbb raise in the hope of flopping big?
Thx
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Live deepstacks allow for quite a lot of image building and more complex plays. One of my local casinos has a 8K chips/40 min/level with starting 25/50 blinds.
Find out in what order they plan on breaking tables. If your table is one of the first to break, don't plan on much 'image building'. It is much easier to lose a tight image than it is to lose a loose image.
As for all in, unless you get short stacked early on, the pot sizes are not going to normally justify the risk. Even 2 or 3 hours in, you are still likely to have an M of over 50 - plenty of room for large raises and re-raises.
Good luck - live deep stack are a lot of fun. I'd play one every week if I could.
Find out in what order they plan on breaking tables. If your table is one of the first to break, don't plan on much 'image building'. It is much easier to lose a tight image than it is to lose a loose image.
As for all in, unless you get short stacked early on, the pot sizes are not going to normally justify the risk. Even 2 or 3 hours in, you are still likely to have an M of over 50 - plenty of room for large raises and re-raises.
Good luck - live deep stack are a lot of fun. I'd play one every week if I could.
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Sentinel wrote:Thx. What do you mean by breaking tables?
While I've never heard of an order of breaking tables as LeeG says, in general terms, it means that when players get knocked out and the number of tourney tables decreases, which tables will be removed first.
I've personally only ever known tournaments where the final table location is set (eg if you are on that one from the start, chances are you will not have to move if you make it all the way unless you are on the big blind when another table needs a player) and there has never been a set order of breaking tables.
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