Did I play this hand poorly?

[gr8johnson]

Well this is my first time posting this type of question here. I have been playing since the summer. I have been working on my game by playing the free rolls and smaller ($20-$30 buy in) tournaments at a pool hall every week. About 7-8 times I have played. A lot of small stakes on line too. I still make some bad decisions, but not usually the same one twice. I play a tight game.I have made it to the 21st and 15th out of 150- 190 people. Those were my best. Not great but still learning though.

I was knocked out real early last night and was wondering if I made a bad play or just got beat. Here it goes.

100/200 blinds. I have about 2300 chips. That is about the big stack at the table.

5 people in front of me fold.
It comes to me and I find I have pocket Kings. I want to try to get some callers so I call the big blind for $200.
Next 2 fold
Next bets $600
Next guy goes all in for 2400
I call with about 2100
The guy who bet 600 calls the all in.
Now I am worried because he is a tight player. But it is too late.
We roll em over
The guy who bet 600 first has AA
The other guy has KJ ( yes that is one of my outs.)
Needless to say I was busted.
I know some will say I should have bet my kings big in the beginning. But I wanted to get some callers or maybe a reraise if some one raised the big blind. My main question is, was calling the all-in bet a bad move that early in the tourney with that many people at the table. Should I have assumed someone had AA. I see people going all-in with some junk at these tourneys and figured I had the second guy (the guy that put us all-in) beat, but when the other guy called I figured I was in trouble because he usually plays pretty tight.


How should I have played the hand better? Thanks for any input.

[MrDarling]

This is what we call in poker a cooler. You should never ever consider folding KK for 200BB or less (nad you're sitting with 10)
That said, limping with this unless you are SURE someone will raise behind is really bad. Imagine you get 5 people in a limped AcTc9d. are you happily playing for all your stack? can you really fold?

[gr8johnson]

What I meant was, should I have floded when put all-in. Should I have assumed he had AA? But yes I agree I should have bet at least 4 times the big blind to push limpers out. Like I said, I am still making mistakes, but I will not make this one again. Although hitting someone holding AA when I have KK in probably just bad timing. Next time I will bet though. But I am pretty sure that I will push all-in again given the same 2 cards going heads up with 1 or 2 other players.

[UrAteUp]

Unless you know villian has AA (which isn't likely unless your Superman) then calling the all-in wasn't an insanely terrible call.

The one thing you have to remember but not concentrate on is in a tournament situtaion you have to think and play like, any hand could find you playing for all your chips and ultimantly (spelling?) your tournament life.

[Jauron]

Folding KK here is terrible. It's a cooler.

[mortaleclipse]

limping not so great, just shove the KK but whatever. Him having AA is just bad luck and nothing else. Folding KK in a tourney is few and far between times, dont worry about it just a cooler.

[splik]

i had poket kings :spade: :diamond: the flop was king ace 6 i played the next card was 2 so i went allin the other guy had poket aces. i was so angrey. but then a king came out ( so i won) see its just luck which u didn't have at the time

[gr8johnson]

Thanks for all the input gang. I ended up having KK on the first hand this week and shoved. Another guy called. I was sweating of course. My heart was pounding. I saw him shake his head and look sad, and I thought I had the hand. He had KK also. So we split the blinds. It got my heart rate up but I did not lose. I actually got KK again later and shoved again. Every one folded. Got the blinds and limpers. I got JJ later and raised 3 times big blind. Jack on the flop . I raised again and he called. There was a 3 and five on the flop too. So I shoved all-in just in case he was playing a small Ace. I didnt think he was but just to be safe. He almost called but folded AK. I wish I would have checked and let him bet the AK. But it was still a good pot. Thanks again for the input. As I learn this great and sometimes frustrating game I like getting some moral support or advice.

[Jauron]

If you are shoving with KK preflop you had better be short stacked, you are losing a ton of value by shoving.

[gr8johnson]

So are you saying I should wait for the flop and get some money in the pot , but that it is ok to call a all-in? I would just hate for an ace to hit on the flop if some one is calling my raise with AQ or AJ.

[Jauron]

So are you saying I should wait for the flop and get some money in the pot , but that it is ok to call a all-in? I would just hate for an ace to hit on the flop if some one is calling my raise with AQ or AJ.

You are trying to win a pot, I'm interested in winning money.

Raise preflop, for value and to narrow their range. Do not raise hoping for AJ to fold preflop when you hold KK, at least not as a standard play. Shoving (with a healthy stack) is going to force most of his range to fold. Why would you desire this outcome preflop?

[Felting]

So are you saying I should wait for the flop and get some money in the pot , but that it is ok to call a all-in? I would just hate for an ace to hit on the flop if some one is calling my raise with AQ or AJ.

In a tournament, when u have AA, KK, or QQ, u pretty much want to do whatever you think you can to get it in.

If you seen the villain call all'ins regularly, then shoving is right. If you think a reraise will induce a shove then reraise.

If they are a nit(tight player) but c-bet often smooth call then shove over their c-bet after the flop.

Basically you are worrying about the villain hitting a 3 outer(the three A's in the deck) on you. Please, for the love of god, give me people chasing 3 outers all day.

Now when an A does hit on the flop, laying KK or QQ down is okay then.