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Postby odlozilik » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:46 am GMT

Muck wrote: I’m sure you could find someone who’d play AT like he had the nuts here.

Exactly:

*** TURN *** [10s 7h 9s] [6s]

ODLOZILIK - Checks
GMJ13 - Checks
DKSMITH - Bets $62
ODLOZILIK - All-In(Raise) $169.90 to $169.90
GMJ13 - Folds
DKSMITH - All-In $100.55
ODLOZILIK - returned ($7.35) : not called

*** RIVER *** [10s 7h 9s 6s] [4h]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

DKSMITH - Shows [10h As] (One pair, tens)

ODLOZILIK - Shows [8c 8s] (Straight, six to ten)

ODLOZILIK Collects $428.10 from main pot

Well, to be honest, this my move was somehow intuitive. Thinking by brain, I would almost always conclude that one of them has the flush for sure. And also, the str8fllush possibility "helped" me to make the decision too (well, I even somehow wrongly concluded to have 2 outs, lol!)

I am thinking now, how would I play the hand having villain's hand (A :spade: 10 :heart: ), wouldn't I finish broken like him? lol! What the line would you suggest for him to take? (Of course, pf fold would be easy).
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Postby Muck » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:04 am GMT

odlozilik wrote:I am thinking now, how would I play the hand having villain's hand (A :spade: 10 :heart: ), wouldn't I finish broken like him? lol! What the line would you suggest for him to take? (Of course, pf fold would be easy).

Fold PF. AT is usually the lowest ace I’ll play and only from LP or button against preferable just the blinds.

Fold to a raise PF.

If someone raises pre-flop you’re stuffed. Any ace worth a raise or call has AT beat. The only flop you want to see is Txx or TTx rainbow. If you hit TPTK on the flop betting out and hoping to take down the pot then and there is pretty much your best result.

Fold to a bet and raise on the flop.

If you get a T79 flop you still can’t be comfortable because someone might have 77, 99, JJ, QQ, KK, AA so you can’t get into a raising war now.
But you can’t wait either the Turn and River are unlikely to help you while bringing the danger of more overs A-J to help your opponents. Not to mention straight or flush draws.

On the Turn when you…
bluff bet to represent a hand (straight or flush)...
a hand that’s better than yours even if you improve (hitting T on river)...
and someone raises all-in leaving you no fold equity value in your chips...

…then calling is probably a bad idea.
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Postby gumbie » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:21 pm GMT

odlozilik wrote:Well, to be honest, this my move was somehow intuitive. Thinking by brain, I would almost always conclude that one of them has the flush for sure. And also, the str8fllush possibility "helped" me to make the decision too


There is so much you just fail to understand.

Do you think villain bets the turn with a worse hand than AsT?
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Postby odlozilik » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:34 pm GMT

gumbie wrote:There is so much you just fail to understand.

Do you think villain bets the turn with a worse hand than AsT?

I just hoped he bets with anything but made flush :) .
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Postby odlozilik » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:41 pm GMT

Muck wrote:Fold to a bet and raise on the flop.

Right.
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Postby supafrey » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:28 pm GMT

odlozilik wrote:
gumbie wrote:There is so much you just fail to understand.

Do you think villain bets the turn with a worse hand than AsT?

I just hoped he bets with anything but made flush :) .


You didn't answer his question. Until you do, you have absolutely no idea what's going on in poker, and it's not even close.
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Postby MrDarling » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:42 pm GMT

supafrey wrote:You didn't answer his question. Until you do, you have absolutely no idea what's going on in poker, and it's not even close.

Yeah, but blind faith is a wonderful thing.
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Postby ScanX » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:13 pm GMT

what I like the most is how result orientated odzlozolozilik is in about every single thread he makes
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Postby odlozilik » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:46 am GMT

supafrey wrote:
odlozilik wrote:
gumbie wrote:There is so much you just fail to understand.

Do you think villain bets the turn with a worse hand than AsT?

I just hoped he bets with anything but made flush :) .


You didn't answer his question. Until you do, you have absolutely no idea what's going on in poker, and it's not even close.

So, do you seriously suggest me to lead the turn? I would either got called (probably by both of players), or even raised, so I would either have to fold or put all the money in anyway, with no fold equity.
Well, what's the better hand than AsT here? According the board, I think only the made flush or the set is better at the moment, that's why I have answered as I did.
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Postby supafrey » Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:58 pm GMT

I give up.

please keep us informed as to your site/stakes so that we have a chance to grab a piece of that BBJ before the rest of the community does.
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Postby odlozilik » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:36 pm GMT

supafrey wrote:I give up.

please keep us informed as to your site/stakes so that we have a chance to grab a piece of that BBJ before the rest of the community does.

You give up what? You didn't say anything, as always. And you know very well, where to find me, as others know too.
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