Don't you hate it when ...

[TheSalche]

You play a totally live 3 flush, make a few small mistakes on 3rd, catch great on 4th and jam the pot but you can't make your flush even though you've got about a 45% chance or better to do so ...

PokerStars Game #7328940201: 7 Card Stud Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/12/06 - 18:55:07 (ET)
Table 'Graffias IV' 8-max
Seat 1: repeek1 ($16.40 in chips)
Seat 2: EZENUF ($8.60 in chips)
Seat 3: mayor72 ($23.90 in chips)
Seat 4: Sonny617 ($25.65 in chips)
Seat 5: TJ_Badger ($85.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Bighead224 ($55.65 in chips)
Seat 7: SlyJeff ($98.40 in chips)
Seat 8: rchic1 ($40 in chips)
repeek1: posts the ante $0.10
EZENUF: posts the ante $0.10
mayor72: posts the ante $0.10
Sonny617: posts the ante $0.10
TJ_Badger: posts the ante $0.10
Bighead224: posts the ante $0.10
SlyJeff: posts the ante $0.10
rchic1: posts the ante $0.10
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to repeek1 [4c]
Dealt to EZENUF [Qs]
Dealt to mayor72 [Qc]
Dealt to Sonny617 [2d 8d 6d]
Dealt to TJ_Badger [8s]
Dealt to Bighead224 [5c]
Dealt to SlyJeff [Ac]
Dealt to rchic1 [9s]
repeek1: brings-in low $0.50
EZENUF: calls $0.50
mayor72: folds
Sonny617: calls $0.50
TJ_Badger: calls $0.50
Bighead224: calls $0.50
SlyJeff: raises $0.50 to $1
rchic1: folds
repeek1: calls $0.50
EZENUF: raises $1 to $2
Sonny617: calls $1.50
TJ_Badger: folds
Bighead224: folds
SlyJeff: raises $1 to $3
repeek1: calls $2
EZENUF: calls $1
Sonny617: calls $1
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to repeek1 [4c] [7c]
Dealt to EZENUF [Qs] [3s]
Dealt to Sonny617 [2d 8d 6d] [Td]
Dealt to SlyJeff [Ac] [Jh]
SlyJeff: bets $1
repeek1: calls $1
EZENUF: calls $1
Sonny617: raises $1 to $2
SlyJeff: raises $1 to $3
repeek1: folds
EZENUF: calls $2
Sonny617: calls $1
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to EZENUF [Qs 3s] [Ts]
Dealt to Sonny617 [2d 8d 6d Td] [Qh]
Dealt to SlyJeff [Ac Jh] [Kh]
SlyJeff: bets $2
EZENUF: calls $2
Sonny617: calls $2
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to EZENUF [Qs 3s Ts] [6c]
Dealt to Sonny617 [2d 8d 6d Td Qh] [Th]
Dealt to SlyJeff [Ac Jh Kh] [2s]
Sonny617: checks
SlyJeff: bets $2
EZENUF: calls $0.50 and is all-in
Sonny617: calls $2
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to Sonny617 [2d 8d 6d Td Qh Th] [3c]
Sonny617: checks
SlyJeff: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sonny617: shows [2d 8d 6d Td Qh Th 3c] (a pair of Tens)
SlyJeff: shows [2c Ah Ac Jh Kh 2s 9d] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
SlyJeff collected $3 from side pot
EZENUF: mucks hand
SlyJeff collected $30.30 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $34.30 Main pot $30.30. Side pot $3. | Rake $1
Seat 1: repeek1 folded on the 4th Street
Seat 2: EZENUF mucked [Qd 7s Qs 3s Ts 6c 7h]
Seat 3: mayor72 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Sonny617 showed [2d 8d 6d Td Qh Th 3c] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 5: TJ_Badger folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 6: Bighead224 folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 7: SlyJeff showed [2c Ah Ac Jh Kh 2s 9d] and won ($33.30) with two pair, Aces and Deuces
Seat 8: rchic1 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Played well, but I cap 4th and maybe get a free card on 5th. Nothing you can do here. Equity through the roof and you just got screwed.

[crack]

Regardless of how live your flush is, you have three babies which is not good if you have to stand a lot of heat which by the looks of it you have right there.

Coupled with the fact you have no straight or high pair potential, I am not sure if this is a clear cut call in ep.

I think you are faced with problems on 4th and that early call with the baby flush cards has lead you to what I think is a difficult decision.

First of all lets have a look at 4th and analyse the boards.

It's safe to say slyjeff should have aces, but although you caught your flush draw, notice the other two caught good too.

You know the players, but there might be a chance they are passive with their own flush draws, both caught good.

The problem I am looking at is the Qs outkicks us those times he has a FD and we both make it. We would need to catch an A or K of our suit, an unlikely probability, especially if slyjeff has our Ad in his hand.

Also, what the hell is repeek doing in the hand with a 4 up. Is it possible he is on a FD too?

If so this doesn't bode too well for your hand. As mentioned earlier, the lack of high cards is a big problem for us, and even more so now.

I don't know what this post is boiling down to exactly and I can't say if I would have found the fold button on 3rd or not, I usually make this sort of a decision depending on the table.

I guess what I am saying is that you seemed from your post that you automatically assumed if you make your flush it's automatically good here when there is actually quite a lot too look into.

I quite like hands like this. I actually enjoyed analysing that.

Post some more up please.

[TheSalche]

repeek is a total idiot ... ignore him

i agree with ya crack, 3rd street compounded into a hard 4th street problem, but it could've been worse

sly clearly's got the aces, in fact its a reason why i want to be in this hand because he isn't letting go of those anytime soon

I think why I ended up making that call on 3rd was a few reasons
1) no dead diamonds
2) I'm folding 4th if I don't catch a diamond
3) I know 1/2 players in a multiway pot will give me the implied odds to chase to the river with my flush assuming nobodys board gets horrendous

Looking at it some more 4th really wasn't horrible for me, I ended up getting 1 of the possible flush draws out and continued to build the pot with probably 35 - 40% equity.