Etiquette Question

[Steve0492]

Stack 1: 1000 chips
Stack 2: 2000 chips
Stack 3: 5000 chips

Stack 1 goes all in, Stack 2 calls. Stack 3 proceeds to go all in to force stack 2 all in. In a home game with friends, is this a bad thing to do? Thanks.

[Ensano]

ummm... that's how poker is played...

is it bad etiquette to score a goal in soccer?...

how about checking someone in hockey?

maybe spiking the ball when you have the lead with 40 seconds left on the clock in football...

this is how you win...

[Muck]

It's sometimes considered poor form or even foolish to bet/raise a dead pot on a bluff. I think this maybe what you're thinking of.

I'd don't know if checking down a pot when a player is all-in is considered good etiquette, it's just a tactical play. If anything it's probably more impolite since checking down has a team play feel to it.

What did the chip leader have?

[BeerWench13]

Stack 1 goes all in, Stack 2 calls. Stack 3 proceeds to go all in to force stack 2 all in. In a home game with friends, is this a bad thing to do?

This has nothing to do with etiquette. It's part of winning the game. However, it would be a foolish thing to do if he/she is bluffing. Otherwise, it's part of the game and I would make the same play with a big hand whether playing friends or strangers.

[Dave B]

It is poor etiquette (not to mention STUPID strategy wise) to bluff at a dead pot.

If someone is all in and someone calls, you cannot make any money unless you can beat the all in player. The only time when it is considered a good play is if you have a VERY strong hand. I would say AA KK QQ.

Think of it this way, why would you WANT to keep another player in the tournament? Poor etiquette because it looks like you are protecting the all in player. Bad play because you should be doing everything you can to eliminate players. Not keep them around.

[supafrey]

There are plenty of other times where betting with nothing in to a side pot that is empty is fine. People need to stop worrying so much about this stupid "rule". If i hear another moron tell me i should have "checked" ....


But it's in no way bad etiquette.

[Jefecaminador]

There are plenty of other times where betting with nothing in to a side pot that is empty is fine.

Can you please elaborate? The only times it make senes to bet into an empty side pot is if 1.) you're semi-bluffing with a flush/straight draw. (which you think will get paid off if you hit). 2.) have a hand that has some show down value ie an ace. 3.) for some reason you think your opponent will call one bet, but not a 2nd one. ie you think he is on a draw.

[supafrey]

There are plenty of other times where betting with nothing in to a side pot that is empty is fine.

Can you please elaborate? The only times it make senes to bet into an empty side pot is if 1.) you're semi-bluffing with a flush/straight draw. (which you think will get paid off if you hit). 2.) have a hand that has some show down value ie an ace. 3.) for some reason you think your opponent will call one bet, but not a 2nd one. ie you think he is on a draw.

[Jefecaminador]

Alright, was hoping I was missing something.

[Steve0492]

i didnt mean to bring strategy into this. i was just asking if it is mean to push someone all in who as already called someone else all in. people got angry for me doing this earlier.

[Jefecaminador]

i didnt mean to bring strategy into this. i was just asking if it is mean to push someone all in who as already called someone else all in. people got angry for me doing this earlier.

If you don't think its wrong to take money from people then its not wrong to make this move.

[Jauron]

i didnt mean to bring strategy into this. i was just asking if it is mean to push someone all in who as already called someone else all in. people got angry for me doing this earlier.

No, in fact there are plenty of times if you wish to call the AI you may re-raise yourself to isolate. If they flat call and you want to raise, go for it.

[Muck]

No, in fact there are plenty of times if you wish to call the AI you may re-raise yourself to isolate. If they flat call and you want to raise, go for it.

Indeed.

In fact the 2000 stack player would have done better to fold or re-raise all in to issolate.
Since he would have been pot committed after the flop if the 5000 stack player just called. I.e. The pot odds would make folding tough/unwise since his last 1000 could win him 5000.

[Steve0492]

ok, i thought it was ok, thanks for the help.

[Dave B]

I still maintain that it is very wrong to do this with most hands. It has little to do w/ etiquette and more to do w/ good strategy.

Again, I am referring to tournaments. In cash games, anything goes.