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[Kemics]

PokerStars Game #24339127263: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/27 21:57:25 GMT [2009/01/27 16:57:25 ET]
Table 'Kleopatra V' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Kemics1 ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Patroklos69 ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 3: HaydenClair ($10.20 in chips)
Seat 4: pauliuxs ($10.60 in chips)
Seat 5: olideca ($8.85 in chips)
Seat 6: TheArmenio ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 7: DjMarquez85 ($1.80 in chips)
Seat 8: 90kamil90 ($2 in chips)
Seat 9: Bobo KGB ($10 in chips)
Bobo KGB: posts small blind $0.05
Kemics1: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kemics1 [4d 4c]
Patroklos69: calls $0.10
HaydenClair: folds
pauliuxs: folds
olideca: calls $0.10
TheArmenio: calls $0.10
DjMarquez85: folds
90kamil90: calls $0.10
Bobo KGB: calls $0.05
Kemics1: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd 4h 6h]
Bobo KGB: checks
Kemics1: bets $0.40
Patroklos69: folds
olideca: folds
TheArmenio: calls $0.40
90kamil90: calls $0.40
Bobo KGB: calls $0.40
*** TURN *** [Kd 4h 6h] [Td]
Bobo KGB: checks
Kemics1: bets $2
TheArmenio: folds
90kamil90: folds
Bobo KGB: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Kd 4h 6h Td] [Th]
Bobo KGB: checks
Kemics1: bets $3.30
Bobo KGB: calls $3.30
*** SHOW DOWN ***

I wanted to price out draws but still get some action, was my flop bet too small as it kinda had a domino effect on the calls. So i then panicked and probably slightly over bet the turn, but i figured there was now 2 straights and 2 flush draws out there and didnt want anyone coming to the river cheap. Then the miracle river card landed, hows my bet sizing for extracting value? Should this ever be a shove trying to represent a missed draw etc.

PokerStars Game #24340244438: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/27 22:33:27 GMT [2009/01/27 17:33:27 ET]
Table 'Kleopatra V' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Kemics1 ($15.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Patroklos69 ($7.75 in chips)
Seat 3: HaydenClair ($17.45 in chips)
Seat 4: pauliuxs ($10.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Dilenkwent ($9.60 in chips)
Seat 7: FullNic ($7.20 in chips)
Seat 8: 90kamil90 ($2 in chips)
Seat 9: shaktale66 ($10 in chips)
HaydenClair: posts small blind $0.05
pauliuxs: posts big blind $0.10
BastiBremen: sits out
shaktale66: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kemics1 [As Ac]
Dilenkwent: folds
FullNic: calls $0.10
90kamil90: folds
shaktale66: checks
Kemics1: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Patroklos69: calls $0.40
HaydenClair: folds
pauliuxs: folds
FullNic: calls $0.30
shaktale66: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Th 9h]
FullNic: bets $0.30
Kemics1: raises $0.70 to $1

I figured his bet as a block bet and so fired out heavy planning to check/fold inless i got some free cards and the turn+river spectacularly bricked off.


PokerStars Game #24338261830: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/27 21:29:39 GMT [2009/01/27 16:29:39 ET]
Table 'Hedda' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: highshanks ($2.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Mr_Ee_Man ($9.80 in chips)
Seat 3: swababa ($10 in chips)
Seat 4: Lempriere ($13.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Kemics1 ($11.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Andy-ND ($1.90 in chips)
Seat 7: Bobo KGB ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 9: AlexXxgeO ($10 in chips)
Kemics1: posts small blind $0.05
Andy-ND: posts big blind $0.10
moronStyle: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kemics1 [Qh Qd]
Bobo KGB: folds
AlexXxgeO: folds
highshanks: calls $0.10
Mr_Ee_Man: folds
swababa: folds
Lempriere: folds
Kemics1: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Andy-ND: folds
highshanks: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [4c 8c 9d]
Kemics1: bets $0.60
highshanks: calls $0.60
*** TURN *** [4c 8c 9d] [2c]
Kemics1: checks
highshanks: bets $1.85 and is all-in
Kemics1: calls $1.85
*** RIVER *** [4c 8c 9d 2c] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Villan playing at 16/03/1.50 but only over 100 hands.

His limp/call had me a little nervous but he didnt seem to do much raising pre-flop. At first i thought it was someone getting elaborate with AA/KK but because he called the flop i figured him for a suited ace or PP, like JJ (with a club) or AKo,AQo,A9o (with a club). With so many draws on the board i figured he had picked up a backdoor draw (either straight or flush) rather than a made hand. So i figured it was just as likely a legitimate hand as semi-bluff because he could extract a river bet from me. Does this still hold despite the fact he's shortstacked?

with 2:1 on my money i made the call but should this have been a fold?

[Jauron]

Hand 1 is fine, you want to step up the bet on the turn as you did.

Hand 2- Bet more preflop, you have an early limper. Raising this flop probably makes decisions easier the rest of the hand. I'll raise here with A high. If he pushes or 3-bets big fold.

Hand 3- Again preflop, get more money in. Against one short stack there is no real value in betting smallish on a drawy board like this. Get as much in on the flop as you think he'll call and rest in on turn.

[Kemics]

how much should i be betting to price out limpers. Im having a tough time (or rather annoying time) against short stackers limp/calling.

I was using the 3 x bb preflop + 1 bb for each limper, should i be upping it?

[odlozilik]

Hand 1: I consider check/raising the flop here to avoid too many callers on heavy board

Hand 3: Why do you check the turn vs. shortstack, when you are commited anyway? Just shove here.

As for raising formula, I think 4bb+1bb/limper is good.

[Jauron]

how much should i be betting to price out limpers. Im having a tough time (or rather annoying time) against short stackers limp/calling.

I was using the 3 x bb preflop + 1 bb for each limper, should i be upping it?

Whatever your standard raise is + 1BB per limper is fine, but with an early limper I'd go at least 4BB + 1BB per limper.

Short stacks usually call anything or fold the flop, so we can jam away with a good hand and bluff cheap without one.

[Jauron]

Hand 1: I consider check/raising the flop here to avoid too many callers on heavy board

Problem is the pot is limped and very multi on what looks like a passive ass table. No reason to think anyone will bet and I think we loose all value as anyone who can call the C/R would probably raise our lead out bet.

[odlozilik]

Well, the table seems to be full of calling stations too, as hero got 3 callers on the flop bet. There are many straight draws possible, plus flush draw, we are not always lucky to get blank card on the turn. I think it's quite probable one of 4 opponents would bet out, someone has to have a king.

[Kemics]

Results -

Hands 1:

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kemics1: shows [4d 4c] (a full house, Fours full of Tens)
Bobo KGB: mucks hand (was the 37
Kemics1 collected $12.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.80 | Rake $0.60
Board [Kd 4h 6h Td Th]

Hand 2: He folded

Hand 3: Kemics1: shows [Qh Qd] (a pair of Queens)
highshanks: shows [Jc Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
highshanks collected $5.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.80 | Rake $0.25
Board [4c 8c 9d 2c Tc]

[Kemics]

PokerStars Game #24389975335: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/29 11:14:33 GMT [2009/01/29 6:14:33 ET]
Table 'Uppsala' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: funpoker90 ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Jasser1208 ($10 in chips)
Seat 3: $Lover73Boy$ ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 4: Dr00zD ($2 in chips)
Seat 5: adlzodiaco ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Kemics1 ($9.15 in chips)
Seat 7: __D2THF__ ($10.95 in chips)
Seat 8: "LIV IT" NG ($9.35 in chips)
Seat 9: kcbites ($2.95 in chips)
$Lover73Boy$: posts small blind $0.05
Dr00zD: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kemics1 [Kh Ac]
adlzodiaco: calls $0.10
Kemics1: raises $0.30 to $0.40
__D2THF__: folds
"LIV IT" NG: folds
kcbites: raises $0.30 to $0.70
funpoker90: folds
Jasser1208: folds
$Lover73Boy$: folds
Dr00zD: folds
adlzodiaco: folds
Kemics1: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [6c 8c As]
Kemics1: bets $1.10
kcbites: raises $1.15 to $2.25 and is all-in
Kemics1: calls $1.15
*** TURN *** [6c 8c As] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [6c 8c As 4c] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kemics1: shows [Kh Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
kcbites: shows [8d 8s] (a full house, Eights full of Fours)
kcbites collected $5.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.15 | Rake $0.30
Board [6c 8c As 4c 4h]
Seat 1: funpoker90 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Jasser1208 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: $Lover73Boy$ (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Dr00zD (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: adlzodiaco folded before Flop
Seat 6: Kemics1 showed [Kh Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fours
Seat 7: __D2THF__ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: "LIV IT" NG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: kcbites showed [8d 8s] and won ($5.85) with a full house, Eights full of Fours

Should i be going bust here? I really need to start adjusting my game to short stackers

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Standard given preflop action.

[MrDarling]

In aggressive 6max AK is the nuts PF (in fact yesterday I lost 4BI with it running to AA and KK)
I'm not sure how one should adjust to full ring, but I think against a short stack you have to put it AI PF.

[buckeyes77]

I think you played the AK fine, there is nothing wrong with how this hand played out.

I'm in the school of thought of avoiding going AI PF with hands like AK or other premium non-made hands in cash games (now tournament play is a whole diff story). I see nothing wrong here with your PF play or your flop play in this cash game..too bad you ran into the set.