Fixed Limit cash hand

[Ciso_B]

Opponent is pretty conservative from what I've seen, flatting my button riase before with 77 and check calling flop and turn board showing Q-2-5-J...I saved a bet on the river checking behind with my K-6s. OBV its limit hold em, so tell me how my line is since I am not a limit king.

PokerStars Game #21260481846: Hold'em Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/10/17 2:30:15 ET
Table 'Alsuhail' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Neab ($150 in chips)
Seat 2: jadajadamasa ($280 in chips)
Seat 3: E*V*E*L*I*N* ($259.50 in chips)
Seat 4: 4kingflop ($124 in chips)
Seat 5: ewingoat ($353 in chips)
Seat 6: davidmich ($76.50 in chips)
jadajadamasa: posts small blind $1
E*V*E*L*I*N*: posts big blind $3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Qd Qc]
4kingflop: folds
ewingoat: folds
davidmich: folds
Neab: raises $3 to $6
jadajadamasa: folds
E*V*E*L*I*N*: raises $3 to $9
Neab: raises $3 to $12
Betting is capped
E*V*E*L*I*N*: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Th 9c 2c]
E*V*E*L*I*N*: checks
Neab: bets $3
E*V*E*L*I*N*: calls $3
*** TURN *** [Th 9c 2c] [5d]
E*V*E*L*I*N*: checks
Neab: bets $6
E*V*E*L*I*N*: raises $6 to $12
Neab: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [Th 9c 2c 5d] [5s]
E*V*E*L*I*N*: bets $6
Neab: raises $6 to $12
E*V*E*L*I*N*: raises $6 to $18
Neab: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***

[MrDarling]

am not a limit player. But I think you should 3B turn. If he cap you can consider only calling river.

[kompis]

i like it, just calling turn got couple extra bets out of him on riv

[odlozilik]

I hate limit but I think you are beat. I would just call the river.

[supafrey]

what hands are we losing to on the turn?

[odlozilik]

what hands are we losing to on the turn?

What hands are raising the turn and 3 betting the river? I think 99 or TT. But, I hate the LIMIT.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

what hands are we losing to on the turn?

What hands are raising the turn and 3 betting the river? I think 99 or TT. But, I hate the LIMIT.

No, AA/KK is a lot more likely given the action than 99/TT.

I don't think this was played badly. I probably call down on the river just because bluffs won't call the last bet, but almost all better hands 3-bet you.

[Jernej Zorec]

i'm with Dave on this one, i prefer to just call the river

[Ciso_B]

villain shows KK

[Phil14312]

Sweet god don't raise the river, turn c/r is a super strong hand, but I'm not good enough to fold QQ there unless he is super nit.

Rereading description he sounds passive, which means you can probably fold turn, but thats a sick fold. Seriously this isn't NL where guys think they can push you off an overpair. He is doing this for value.

You capped preflop, he gives you a range of AQ+,TT+ if you have been aggressive, which sounds like you have. He knows thats your range and is still putting in lots of bets.

You should only have 99 or TT here to make the play you did. His range is 99,TT,KK,AA.

[Phil14312]

Edit to above:

I didn't see this was 6 max. You should still be calling down, but never fold now that its 6 max. His range can be wider and so can yours, which makes it easy calldown, but stupid to raise or fold.

[Bobweiser]

Diamond:

No, AA/KK is a lot more likely given the action than 99/TT.

What in this action gave you the indication it was AA/KK? (Im somewhat of a noob and im interested)

Is it because after the flop the villain didn't raise or check raise?

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

Diamond:

No, AA/KK is a lot more likely given the action than 99/TT.

What in this action gave you the indication it was AA/KK? (Im somewhat of a noob and im interested)

Is it because after the flop the villain didn't raise or check raise?

Villain's range is a little more skewed toward the upper end of his range because of the 3-bet preflop and then the check-raise on the turn. 99/TT is conceivable, but not all players are going to 3-bet those out of the blinds... although Neab is raising on the button, so most players are going to 3-bet more liberally. I just figure with a set, many villains are going to use a check-raise flop and lead the turn line, because they are afraid of losing value with a set. With a big overpair, it's more likely they will try to get an extra bet on the turn, because they don't see losing one extra bet as dire (even though it's essentially the same situation, since there is only one plausible extra hand that beats KK, which is AA).

Check-call on the flop followed by a check-raise on the turn is a big sign of strength. It pretty much narrows the range to a set and an overpair in this type of situation (big pot heads-up with an opponent unlikely to fold anything with showdown value)... or it's some funky weird play.

[Bobweiser]

Thanks for your insight, I appreciate it.

[Dave B]

Ciso? Limit? Wanna play??????


Taking a vacation day tomorrow and planning on a marathon of live limit. It is a beautiful game.