genius or idiot?
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genius or idiot?
PokerStars Game #24365007411: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/28 17:41:15 GMT [2009/01/28 12:41:15 ET]
Table 'Phoenix' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Comarre ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 2: shaktale ($1.95 in chips)
Seat 3: Le_cashpoint ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Julian125 ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 5: mochatoby ($12.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Kemics1 ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 7: fbxmd ($2.20 in chips)
Seat 8: moronStyle ($13.45 in chips)
Seat 9: Don Marquise ($4.95 in chips)
mochatoby: posts small blind $0.05
Kemics1: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kemics1 [Kc Ah]
fbxmd: folds
moronStyle: folds
Don Marquise: raises $0.10 to $0.20
Comarre: folds
shaktale: folds
Le_cashpoint: folds
Julian125: folds
mochatoby: calls $0.15
Kemics1: raises $0.40 to $0.60
Don Marquise: calls $0.40
mochatoby: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc Qs 6h]
Kemics1: bets $1
Don Marquise: calls $1
*** TURN *** [Jc Qs 6h] [7d]
Kemics1: bets $2.20
Don Marquise: raises $1.15 to $3.35 and is all-in
Kemics1: calls $1.15
*** RIVER *** [Jc Qs 6h 7d] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kemics1: shows Kc Ah (high card Ace)
Don Marquise: shows 3d 3h (a pair of Threes)
Don Marquise collected $9.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.10 | Rake $0.45
Board [Jc Qs 6h 7d 8d]
Seat 1: Comarre folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: shaktale folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Le_cashpoint folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Julian125 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mochatoby (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Kemics1 (big blind) showed Kc Ah and lost with high card Ace
Seat 7: fbxmd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: moronStyle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Don Marquise showed 3d 3h and won ($9.65) with a pair of Threes
results in white. Kinda of confused by this one. I really sensed weakness so i thought i'd press it. When he shoved i figured i was pot committed and with outs. But i was really surprised and felt embarrassingly schooled
Table 'Phoenix' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Comarre ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 2: shaktale ($1.95 in chips)
Seat 3: Le_cashpoint ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Julian125 ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 5: mochatoby ($12.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Kemics1 ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 7: fbxmd ($2.20 in chips)
Seat 8: moronStyle ($13.45 in chips)
Seat 9: Don Marquise ($4.95 in chips)
mochatoby: posts small blind $0.05
Kemics1: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kemics1 [Kc Ah]
fbxmd: folds
moronStyle: folds
Don Marquise: raises $0.10 to $0.20
Comarre: folds
shaktale: folds
Le_cashpoint: folds
Julian125: folds
mochatoby: calls $0.15
Kemics1: raises $0.40 to $0.60
Don Marquise: calls $0.40
mochatoby: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc Qs 6h]
Kemics1: bets $1
Don Marquise: calls $1
*** TURN *** [Jc Qs 6h] [7d]
Kemics1: bets $2.20
Don Marquise: raises $1.15 to $3.35 and is all-in
Kemics1: calls $1.15
*** RIVER *** [Jc Qs 6h 7d] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kemics1: shows Kc Ah (high card Ace)
Don Marquise: shows 3d 3h (a pair of Threes)
Don Marquise collected $9.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.10 | Rake $0.45
Board [Jc Qs 6h 7d 8d]
Seat 1: Comarre folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: shaktale folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Le_cashpoint folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Julian125 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mochatoby (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Kemics1 (big blind) showed Kc Ah and lost with high card Ace
Seat 7: fbxmd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: moronStyle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Don Marquise showed 3d 3h and won ($9.65) with a pair of Threes
results in white. Kinda of confused by this one. I really sensed weakness so i thought i'd press it. When he shoved i figured i was pot committed and with outs. But i was really surprised and felt embarrassingly schooled
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xDiamond_CutteRx - Moderator
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Firing twice against short stacks isn't great. If they call the flop they generally aren't folding.
I don't mind firing twice sometimes to stop floating but at these levels I don't know how profitable it is, and I know it's not vs shorty.
BTW, mini raise in EP at these levels is very often a small pair, and don't expect them to dump it if they call the flop.
I don't mind firing twice sometimes to stop floating but at these levels I don't know how profitable it is, and I know it's not vs shorty.
BTW, mini raise in EP at these levels is very often a small pair, and don't expect them to dump it if they call the flop.
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Jauron - Posts: 2598
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xDiamond_CutteRx wrote:I hate it. At this level, check/fold the turn plz.
Bingo.
I think you should have known there was a pretty good chance you were beat when he called you on the flop. Definitely time for a check-fold on the turn.
And you shouldn't worry about your c-bet issue... nothing wrong with c-betting AK with that flop. It's not like you're c-betting every flop with garbage...atleast I hope not.
- buckeyes77
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its not like he read your soul or anything. He just thought I have a pair, if I call the turn I'll need to call the river I might raise AI my self. more then likely trying to rep T9 then raising for value.
This is why its a big spewy to 2 barrel against bad players, especially with Sd value.
This is why its a big spewy to 2 barrel against bad players, especially with Sd value.
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I didn't see the results until now lol.
I agree 100%. Villain should have put Kemics on atleast a higher pair. His push on the turn is terrible as he should realise Kemics is committed and will call to "pay him off" so to speak. Is he hoping to hit a 2-outer 3 on the river? His play on the turn is really bad.
Like I said, I didn't look at the results until now. I still would have check-folded to villain on the turn though but yes, this is an idiotic play by villain unless he somehow knew you had AK which is not really possible,
odlozilik wrote:I think villain's play is much worse than hero's, because he doesn't beat much of hero's range and there is almost no chance to make him fold.
I agree 100%. Villain should have put Kemics on atleast a higher pair. His push on the turn is terrible as he should realise Kemics is committed and will call to "pay him off" so to speak. Is he hoping to hit a 2-outer 3 on the river? His play on the turn is really bad.
Like I said, I didn't look at the results until now. I still would have check-folded to villain on the turn though but yes, this is an idiotic play by villain unless he somehow knew you had AK which is not really possible,
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