Getting owned on Stars.

[AHBrownell]

So I made a move over to Pokerstars from Full Tilt. Although the rakeback is missed, I've already earned ~30k FPPs and ~15k VPPs - so I'm on my way to Supernova.

I've been playing a lot of tables trying to find good games at different limits. I see terrible plays all the time, but am having trouble figuring out where the biggest advantage is. My main problem is that players seem to make mistakes preflop less than they do after the flop, BUT they are so nutty after the flop that I tend to get all in with hands like TPTK or overpairs or better when deep stacked.

I haven't had particularly great results lately, and its making me question my overall strategy. I basically use two different tactics.

1) Buyin short and try to get all in preflop or on the flop with strong hands - AA-JJ, AK-AQ, occasionally weaker hands.

2) Buyin deep and try to get all in with two-pair, sets, etc.

Obviously, each game is different, but the general question is - is a small edge preflop worth more, then a larger edge postflop - if that means getting all in drawing short/dead a good portion of the time with a deep stack.

The one obvious adavantage to the shorter stack strat is the ability to play a lot more tables - but it seems like its hard to make people's decisions THAT bad, and so is there much money to be made simply reshoving with premium hands?

I have noticed that on Stars people are much more willing to call than on FT - so I don't think there its super hard to get money in (and called) with a strong hand...

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

One trick I've found helpful the last couple days since I started on Stars again is to make very large bets (pot+) when you have a very strong hand. As you said, players seem a lot more apt to call these days.

I think buying in short is a reasonably good idea if you are patient. You really can't buy in very deep on Stars (100 BB is not that big in my book, and it's actually one of the most awkward stack sizes from my perspective). Buying in short means I'm usually playing better when I'm deep, because I'm winning.

The "culture" on Stars seems to have learned preflop play pretty well, but I still see even mid-stakes players make some pretty retarded calls after the flop.

[crack]

My general strategy is not to play on stars.

[kingetje]

play less tables so you can play better?

[AHBrownell]

Listened to King. Worked great. Ty. Also good advice Diamond.

[ninetensuited]

My general strategy is not to play on stars.

i f*cking mo

[AHBrownell]

I have come to generally realize that players make more mistakes after the flop - so not playing past those streets was really a weakness to my overall strategy. I'm playing deepish now, 80-100x BB and it seems like if you don't overplay mid-strength hands, its not too bad on stars. I play pretty straight forwardly, and it seems to get the job done, although I haven't killed any games - like the old days, Ah well, hopefully that Barney Frank bill gets it done for all of us...

[MrDarling]

I have no idea why you are trying to get it in so often.
Our biggest advantage against weak players is our ability to read boards/hands.

BTW, why did you leave FT?
I also left FT a couple of month ago as it seems to competition is too hard. Turned out I was just playing bad.

Am now back to FT playing 12 tables $200NL and last month was very good thank you very much.
I agree the play on smaller site is softer (UB, AP) but there is not enough tables for my liking and you always have to fight the regs for the fish monies.

Good luck and keep us informed.

Danny

[MrDarling]

BTW, I never play less then 100BB and in fact really enjoy FT new deep tables as the bad player do not adjust well IMO to playing deep.

However decided not to play too many deep tables while multi tabling as decisions become much harder deep.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

BTW, I never play less then 100BB and in fact really enjoy FT new deep tables as the bad player do not adjust well IMO to playing deep.

However decided not to play too many deep tables while multi tabling as decisions become much harder deep.

These deep tables allow bigger than 100BB buyin? Maybe I should play on tilt some...

[Jernej Zorec]

200bb buyin is max