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Good Play? Good Opponent?

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Good Play? Good Opponent?

Postby Loaki9 » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:10 am GMT

I as playing an 18 player Sit & Go, at the final table, 7 players left. Last position, 3 players in the hand, me, the player before me and the player after. I have AJ offsuit. Player in front of me calls a preflop raise 3x BB, so Does the man behind me. Flop comes.

5h 9c Jh.

Seat 1 Goes (really tight player) all in, and he has me covered barely. Player behind (bit loose) me calls.

I Decide to call also. Guy in front went in with only a flush draw, man behind with an A8 off suit. The guy in front got his flush on 4th. Was i a good player in making the call?

Was he a good player in going all in?

I feel like I did the right thing with the reads I had on the players, Just looking for reinforcement.. :P

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Postby Muck » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:20 am GMT

How much were the blinds?
Thus how much was the pot on the flop.
And how much did each player have in their stack.

It would be good to also know what seat number you were in. I.e. were you all sitting in Early Position or near The Button.

Anyway from the information available:

AJo isn’t very strong when you’re facing a raise in front of you, since there’s a good chance you’re dominated. Which means that an Ace on the flop will be difficult to play. You were very lucky to pick up a good flop.

Without knowing the sit of the pot or your stacks it’s hard to comment on the flop play.
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Postby Loaki9 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:03 am GMT

Blinds 30/60
Player 1, Seat 1, 3,900 approx chips
Player 2, Seat 6, 3,000 approx chips
Me, Seat 7, 3,700 approx chips

7 player table So im in the final seat. raised with the AJ suited because they both called. I believe i raised like 240-300ish

So basically when he went all in, he put both of us to the question. I'm just curious, is going all-in when your the big stack of the hand a smart move for him?

and your right, AJ is not excellent, but basic play styple says you should raise A,x in late position if the others just called, folded.
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Postby Muck » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:42 am GMT

Sorry I was confused. I read your previous post as someone else raised and you called.

Okay so you raised from LP against 2 limpers. I don’t mind this too much but you need to watch out for Player 1, if he’s limping from UTG he should have a strong hand.

Loaki9 wrote:So basically when he went all in, he put both of us to the question. I'm just curious, is going all-in when your the big stack of the hand a smart move for him?

I’m not sure where your coming from with the big stack bit. Do you mean is it unwise to move in when you have the chip lead? He wasn’t very far ahead. Or do you mean the size of his bet?

Depending on his cards I think his push was okay-to-good, if he was holding T9h or 67h he’s in pretty good shape here.

Since you raised pre-flop he might figure a check would mean you’d continuation bet and he wouldn’t get the odds to draw so now's the time to decide how much he likes his flush draw.

The pot was about 800 (a healthy amount and offering good dead money odds) Short handed the chances are you didn’t hit. You might be raising with AK-AT or AA-TT and to call you’d need a strong hand.

Then, even if you had a strong hand, e.g. JJ he still has outs and is only a 30%ish underdog.

Loaki9 wrote:and your right, AJ is not excellent, but basic play styple says you should raise A,x in late position if the others just called, folded.

Well I’d say that’s pretty aggressive and I’d like to caveat it with 2 things:
  • x should be Ten or greater and preferable suited.
  • And more importantly only raise when against 2-3 players max.
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Postby Kemics » Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:37 am GMT

The draw push makes sense as he's getting good fold equity on this board. So i'd probably call if the sandwiched player folded. But as one player ahead of us has already called. Im probably laying this down.

Blinds in relation to chip stacks are minuscule, after this hand you're in the final 6 with an average chip stack. There'll be a better spot to get all your chips in than TPTK.
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Postby Loaki9 » Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:46 am GMT

Hmmmm, thanks. I feel better raising within the rules that muck defined. I knew the caller was sloppy as hell, so that's why i wasnt too worried about him.

I turned out to be right on that read, he had A8 offsuit (non hearts) and i believe the flush draw was Q2hearts. I remember Q was his high card and that the flush was the only odds he had. so 9 outs. 18% respectively.

Thanks for the opinions guys :P
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Postby Muck » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:27 am GMT

Loaki9 wrote:i believe the flush draw was Q2hearts. I remember Q was his high card and that the flush was the only odds he had. so 9 outs.

Plus 3 Queens, so 12 outs.

On the flop the odds to win were:

AJo 49%
A8o 3%
Q2s 48%

As Kemics said fold equity is important here. When you’re almost in a coin toss situation the player who bets first adds to their % chance to win and edges ahead.
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Postby Loaki9 » Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:30 pm GMT

Haha, oh yes. Im very familiar with fold equity. I'm too young and impatient some times, and rely on the fold equity as part of my play style. I actually do pretty well with it in tourneys. I usually make it to the final tables of 180 and 32 player tourneys, but i know I have to practice tighter play and not rely on them folding. I <3 Semi-bluffs.
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