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[Ciso_B]

PokerStars Game #16972931384: Tournament #85346099, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/04/24 - 22:45:28 (ET)
Table '85346099 58' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Neab (3775 in chips)
Seat 2: maxtra46 (9250 in chips)
Seat 3: TEXAS fight (14450 in chips)
Seat 4: trender999 (19060 in chips)
Seat 5: STRBUXS (10760 in chips)
Seat 6: l(night (6100 in chips)
Seat 7: usmc1391 (7375 in chips)
Seat 8: foowongdo (7200 in chips)
Seat 9: varsh4 (4030 in chips)
trender999: posts small blind 75
STRBUXS: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [Ah 7h]
l(night: folds
usmc1391: calls 150
trender999 said, ":/"
foowongdo: folds
varsh4: folds
Neab: calls 150
maxtra46: folds
TEXAS fight: folds
trender999: calls 75
STRBUXS: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ks 9h 7c]
trender999: bets 450
STRBUXS: folds
usmc1391: folds
Neab: calls 450
*** TURN *** [Ks 9h 7c] [Qs]
trender999: bets 450
Neab said, "hmm u didnt fold 7s so i dont think u foldin K8 or w/e u got"
Neab: folds
trender999 collected 1500 from pot
trender999: shows [Kc 8s] (a pair of Kings)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1500 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 9h 7c Qs]
Seat 1: Neab folded on the Turn
Seat 2: maxtra46 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TEXAS fight (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: trender999 (small blind) collected (1500)
Seat 5: STRBUXS (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: l(night folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: usmc1391 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: foowongdo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: varsh4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[gumbie]

Good reads wont win u tournaments.

You need AA to hold up!

[kompis]

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2517266

here is a spot on the river where i was edging towards a call... then i floated the cursor over the guys name and it said he was from germany , so i quickly snapcalled.. obviosly

[Ciso_B]

Yeah Gumbie I learnt that a good while ago, but eh. Still nice when you're exactly right.

[Ensano]

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2517266

here is a spot on the river where i was edging towards a call... then i floated the cursor over the guys name and it said he was from germany , so i quickly snapcalled.. obviosly

horrible on all streets... (PF raise is a bit small for my liking but i don't know exactly on MTTs but still 2.5bb with antes is still light)

cbet....

what are you chasing on the turn?... an overcard?..

river.... bad call... behind way too often...

[Ciso_B]

lol Gumbie.... Heres another night for ciso , 7 off cashing in the $50k

PokerStars Game #16974681786: Tournament #85346092, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2008/04/25 - 00:21:35 (ET)
Table '85346092 17' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: redstaromaha (7710 in chips)
Seat 2: terrellk11 (18924 in chips)
Seat 3: caserd (24062 in chips)
Seat 4: billytk123 (3380 in chips)
Seat 5: Neab (5163 in chips)
Seat 6: Tescera (13678 in chips)
Seat 7: kennypop (41005 in chips)
Seat 8: i'm stroking (4744 in chips)
Seat 9: bkpam (18566 in chips)
redstaromaha: posts the ante 75
terrellk11: posts the ante 75
caserd: posts the ante 75
billytk123: posts the ante 75
Neab: posts the ante 75
Tescera: posts the ante 75
kennypop: posts the ante 75
i'm stroking: posts the ante 75
bkpam: posts the ante 75
i'm stroking: posts small blind 400
bkpam: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Neab [As Ah]
redstaromaha: folds
terrellk11: folds
kennypop said, "don't say that"
caserd: raises 1202 to 2002
kennypop said, "a cash is good...seriously"
billytk123: folds
Neab: raises 3086 to 5088 and is all-in
Tescera: folds
kennypop: folds
i'm stroking has timed out
i'm stroking: folds
i'm stroking is sitting out
bkpam: folds
i'm stroking has returned
caserd: calls 3086
caserd said, "gotta call, gl nh"
*** FLOP *** [5h 8s 3s]
redstaromaha said, "knew it!"
redstaromaha said, "hahaha"
*** TURN *** [5h 8s 3s] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [5h 8s 3s 9s] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
caserd: shows [Ks Js] (a flush, King high)
Neab: shows [As Ah] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
redstaromaha said, "damn."
kennypop said, "wow"
caserd collected 12051 from pot
bkpam said, "el sicko"
caserd said, "sorry gg"
redstaromaha said, "wow"
kennypop said, "sorry"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12051 | Rake 0
Board [5h 8s 3s 9s 9d]
Seat 1: redstaromaha folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: terrellk11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: caserd showed [Ks Js] and won (12051) with a flush, King high
Seat 4: billytk123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Neab showed [As Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 6: Tescera folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: kennypop (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: i'm stroking (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: bkpam (big blind) folded before Flop



I was short stacked but ya know, I was on agressive table with a shit stack and absolute garbage, patience not rewarded tho.

[Yozman]

terrible play ciso, u shoulda known that flush was gonna hit

[kompis]

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2517266

here is a spot on the river where i was edging towards a call... then i floated the cursor over the guys name and it said he was from germany , so i quickly snapcalled.. obviosly

horrible on all streets... (PF raise is a bit small for my liking but i don't know exactly on MTTs but still 2.5bb with antes is still light)

cbet....

what are you chasing on the turn?... an overcard?..

river.... bad call... behind way too often...

are u being sarcastic?

i hope so...

this hand is a perfect example of pot control... i cbet the flop and he's check raising like all the time.... i call on the turn becuase i believe im ahead , same on river

[Jauron]

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2517266

here is a spot on the river where i was edging towards a call... then i floated the cursor over the guys name and it said he was from germany , so i quickly snapcalled.. obviosly

horrible on all streets... (PF raise is a bit small for my liking but i don't know exactly on MTTs but still 2.5bb with antes is still light)

cbet....

what are you chasing on the turn?... an overcard?..

river.... bad call... behind way too often...

are u being sarcastic?

i hope so...

this hand is a perfect example of pot control... i cbet the flop and he's check raising like all the time.... i call on the turn becuase i believe im ahead , same on river

I don't understand what looks like multiple concepts applied strangely. Pot control with A high? You are afraid of being Check raised but are willing to call turn with no hand or draw. You want to keep the pot small so you can keep calling down with A high?

[kompis]

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2517266

here is a spot on the river where i was edging towards a call... then i floated the cursor over the guys name and it said he was from germany , so i quickly snapcalled.. obviosly

horrible on all streets... (PF raise is a bit small for my liking but i don't know exactly on MTTs but still 2.5bb with antes is still light)

cbet....

what are you chasing on the turn?... an overcard?..

river.... bad call... behind way too often...

are u being sarcastic?

i hope so...

this hand is a perfect example of pot control... i cbet the flop and he's check raising like all the time.... i call on the turn becuase i believe im ahead , same on river

I don't understand what looks like multiple concepts applied strangely. Pot control with A high? You are afraid of being Check raised but are willing to call turn with no hand or draw. You want to keep the pot small so you can keep calling down with A high?

there is only one concept here.. that is "small ball" there is 4 left in mtt thats been going for about 4 /5 hours. the blinds are big.

I'd often c bet the flop because i think its still the best hand and force hands K8 etc out...but against this tricky german i feel he will check raise me alot on this type of flop - he will not be scared that teh Q has hit me. so i go for check denying him the chance to push me off the pot while i have the best hand. on the turn i am going to bet if he checks to me and likely take downt the pot. a delayed cbet if you will... but then he fires into me, I could raise him here.. but then my read could be incorect and i will not get any more value off him on the river if i am indeed correct. so I call him thinking i am ahead and expecting him to shut down or carry on the bluff. 6 is a great card for me, if im ahead on the turn i will still be ahead on the river so i call and im right he has nothing - busted flush draw. If the river had been a J or K or a diamond and he fired big it would have been alot tougher call... but imho i think this hand is played pretty well. if you cannot understand why then u have alot of work to do.

[Ciso_B]

If aelred is calling him down with Ace high, I should imagine he's observed the player, plus he's got alot of chips to call too- him betting again on the river would have me a bit worried as he might shut down when you call the turn alot , and if he was gonna steal, then he might bet right out, as opposed to check raise and put himself in jeopardy. As it turned out I think he was check raising as he had a powerful hand after the flop.

I don't think its a case of pot control , just knowing the player and the cajones to follow through with your conviction. So I think props for the call really, he may turn over QJ or something a fair amount of the time. But not this time, so to that you have to say "wp,good call".

[Ensano]

there is only one concept here.. that is "small ball" there is 4 left in mtt thats been going for about 4 /5 hours. the blinds are big.

I'd often c bet the flop because i think its still the best hand and force hands K8 etc out...but against this tricky german i feel he will check raise me alot on this type of flop - he will not be scared that teh Q has hit me. so i go for check denying him the chance to push me off the pot while i have the best hand. on the turn i am going to bet if he checks to me and likely take downt the pot. a delayed cbet if you will... but then he fires into me, I could raise him here.. but then my read could be incorect and i will not get any more value off him on the river if i am indeed correct. so I call him thinking i am ahead and expecting him to shut down or carry on the bluff. 6 is a great card for me, if im ahead on the turn i will still be ahead on the river so i call and im right he has nothing - busted flush draw. If the river had been a J or K or a diamond and he fired big it would have been alot tougher call... but imho i think this hand is played pretty well. if you cannot understand why then u have alot of work to do.

i'm sorry but you're being results oriented..

[Jauron]

If aelred is calling him down with Ace high, I should imagine he's observed the player, plus he's got alot of chips to call too- him betting again on the river would have me a bit worried as he might shut down when you call the turn alot , and if he was gonna steal, then he might bet right out, as opposed to check raise and put himself in jeopardy. As it turned out I think he was check raising as he had a powerful hand after the flop.

I don't think its a case of pot control , just knowing the player and the cajones to follow through with your conviction. So I think props for the call really, he may turn over QJ or something a fair amount of the time. But not this time, so to that you have to say "wp,good call".

Knowing the player is the important part IMO, trying to make this out as standard which Kompis came across with his post is absurd. I think that is what Ensano and I were trying to say.

[kompis]

there is only one concept here.. that is "small ball" there is 4 left in mtt thats been going for about 4 /5 hours. the blinds are big.

I'd often c bet the flop because i think its still the best hand and force hands K8 etc out...but against this tricky german i feel he will check raise me alot on this type of flop - he will not be scared that teh Q has hit me. so i go for check denying him the chance to push me off the pot while i have the best hand. on the turn i am going to bet if he checks to me and likely take downt the pot. a delayed cbet if you will... but then he fires into me, I could raise him here.. but then my read could be incorect and i will not get any more value off him on the river if i am indeed correct. so I call him thinking i am ahead and expecting him to shut down or carry on the bluff. 6 is a great card for me, if im ahead on the turn i will still be ahead on the river so i call and im right he has nothing - busted flush draw. If the river had been a J or K or a diamond and he fired big it would have been alot tougher call... but imho i think this hand is played pretty well. if you cannot understand why then u have alot of work to do.

i'm sorry but you're being results oriented..

Make a read, play it the way that will gain u most chips if you read well.
Proven correct...

its these spots where you are meant to say "wow great call," because the standard play would not have looked like that but the hero knew something extra that helped him make a call where it is normal to fold.

yes i am results oriented... check out my results on officialpokerrankings.com offmymedz

about time i stopped posting on this forum, full of sh1t players

[ninetensuited]

in all fairness. Ensano, it is apparent that you have no clue on tournament strategy and are a primarily cash game player

oh and ~2.5x is standard for tournaments


team BOOMKING FTW IMO