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Got my feet wet, but decided I didn't want to swim

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Got my feet wet, but decided I didn't want to swim

Postby jimmer » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:48 am GMT

I'd only been sat at the table a few minutes. I have no info on the others. Should I call this or fold? Also, why?

PokerStars Game #15419382765: Tournament #78054779, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/02/20 - 10:29:36 (ET)
Table '78054779 5' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: phillip614 (935 in chips)
Seat 2: magoi666 (4075 in chips)
Seat 3: taborboy02 (985 in chips)
Seat 4: jbdb3 (1260 in chips)
Seat 5: didking (1290 in chips)
Seat 6: Manül84 (750 in chips)
Seat 7: doug1228 (2015 in chips)
Seat 8: Julietta1000 (4530 in chips)
Seat 9: RtK89 (7505 in chips)
doug1228: posts small blind 50
Julietta1000: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jbdb3 [Kd Js]
RtK89: folds
phillip614: folds
magoi666: folds
taborboy02: folds
jbdb3: raises 200 to 300
didking: folds
Manül84: raises 450 to 750 and is all-in
doug1228: folds
Julietta1000: folds
jbdb3: ???
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Postby UrAteUp » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:26 pm GMT

Fold. KJ is hardly a hand you want to call an all-in with. Chances are you are dominated to begin with.
AX or PP type hands. The cards you might need to hit could actually help villian more then helping you.

Also remember that most of these micro level players don't bluff that often.
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Postby MrDarling » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:28 pm GMT

thats why you shouldn't raise with marginal hands when SS are yet to act and you have no info.

you have to call getting excellent odds : 1-3.5
Even if he has AK you are getting the right odds; And his range his much wider : 22+, AT+,KQ+

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

219,174,912 games 0.031 secs 7,070,158,451 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.558% 34.97% 00.59% 76639314 1294289.50 { KdJs }
Hand 1: 64.442% 63.85% 00.59% 139947019 1294289.50 { 22+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }


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1,712,304 games 0.078 secs 21,952,615 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.586% 24.03% 00.55% 411493 9497.00 { KdJc }
Hand 1: 75.414% 74.86% 00.55% 1281817 9497.00 { AhKh }


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Postby tame_deuces » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:04 pm GMT

I prolly just shove pre tbh.
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Postby Muck » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:32 pm GMT

tame_deuces wrote:I prolly just shove pre tbh.

With an M of 8.6 I think this is push or fold any raise leaves you committed.

In a cheap MTT with a lot of entrants I'm more inclined to push here, get some chips now or go eat. Otherwise I might wait a couple of orbits and hope for AT up or any PP.
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Postby UrAteUp » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:34 pm GMT

thats why you shouldn't raise with marginal hands when SS are yet to act and you have no info.


Solid advice D.

I prolly just shove pre tbh.


Spoken in true donkey fashion.... :wink: :lol:
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Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:35 pm GMT

With your stack vs. those blinds, you should either be pushing or folding preflop unless you're trying to draw a reraise from a worse hand (I might consider making a small raise with AA, KK, QQ, or AK here).

As played, fold. You are behind his range (very possibility dominated) and have no fold equity.
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Postby Jauron » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:36 am GMT

I'm calling here. You are pretty much in the same crappy spot if you call or fold and you get to see 5 cards at a good price vs what his range should be.

As others have said raising here to 300 is bleh.
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