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This is like 2 hands into the sitting i have no info on the players, would like some feedback on this hand. I already know PF was bad.


Full Tilt Poker Game #12776869863: Table Baysinger - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:26:28 ET - 2009/06/12
Seat 1: EduGr15 ($52.42)
Seat 2: JMRE ($25)
Seat 3: n0testin ($7.17)
Seat 4: SexMagic ($10)
Seat 5: fullontilt78 ($31.30)
Seat 6: madman1701 ($24.75)
Seat 7: ttowntigger1 ($19.34)
Seat 8: KBJ1207 ($26.10)
Seat 9: mjflowers ($16.59)
madman1701 posts the small blind of $0.10
ttowntigger1 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to madman1701 [Ks Kc]
KBJ1207 folds
mjflowers calls $0.25
EduGr15 folds
n0testin folds
SexMagic calls $0.25
fullontilt78 folds
madman1701 raises to $0.75
ttowntigger1 has 15 seconds left to act
ttowntigger1 calls $0.50
mjflowers calls $0.50
SexMagic calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Ts 2h 3h]
madman1701 bets $1.25
ttowntigger1 folds
mjflowers has 15 seconds left to act
mjflowers raises to $2.50
SexMagic folds
SexMagic adds $0.75
madman1701 raises to $5
mjflowers calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [Ts 2h 3h] [5s]
madman1701 has 15 seconds left to act
madman1701 bets $6
mjflowers calls $6
*** RIVER *** [Ts 2h 3h 5s] [Td]
madman1701 checks
mjflowers bets $4.84, and is all in
madman1701 calls $4.84
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mjflowers shows [Qh Th] three of a kind, Tens
madman1701 mucks
mjflowers wins the pot ($32.95) with three of a kind, Tens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $34.68 | Rake $1.73
Board: [Ts 2h 3h 5s Td]
Seat 1: EduGr15 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: JMRE is sitting out
Seat 3: n0testin didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: SexMagic folded on the Flop
Seat 5: fullontilt78 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: madman1701 (small blind) mucked [Ks Kc] - two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 7: ttowntigger1 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: KBJ1207 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: mjflowers showed [Qh Th] and won ($32.95) with three of a kind, Tens

[Muck]

Raise more pre-flop.
-When people talk about 3xBB and 4xBB raises it’s usual talking about an unopened pot. But here the 2 limpers in front of you are adjusting the odds so your raise is less likely to thin the herd. I’d make it $1.20 to play.
-You’re out of position, another reason why you really don’t want more than 1 caller.

As for the flop, turn and river:
You need a plan. Why are you betting? To push out draws or to milk him? Do you want to find out if you’re ahead? Could he have called the PF raise with 22, 33, TT, 23? Could he be semi-bluffing on a flush draw? Do you want to get all your money in now? On the turn? Or get to the showdown as cheaply as possible. What do you think his plan is? Look at the pot and his remaining stack, is he committed?

Before I comment I’d like some more insight into your thought process. Overall this wasn’t a bad beat, I think you let him stay in too cheaply.

[Jonniedough]

Before I comment I’d like some more insight into your thought process.

what do you think he had? You can win a lot more and lose a lot less if you have a better idea of what he had too?

[Assistance]

depending on how much you raise pre flop really is the only way to change how this hand is played but the results are probably going to be the same unless....

your only chance u can fold on the flop or turn with the amount of draws on board, but at the same time they need to be doing the raising to get you off and they probably check call to the river.

(pre flop)
If he (QTh)is getting 1 more caller to your raise then he is gonna see that flop with 3-4 players easily and more then likely going to call with the implied odds.

[UrAteUp]

I agree with Muck. With big PP you have to raise a little more then standard to protect them. A hand like KK with two limpers before you...I am going to be raising to at least $1.25-$1.50.

My post flop play would be a pot sized bet. River you pretty much have to figure he has you with that 2nd 10 or he is going for the bluff. Most times I fold here if I think villan is on A10, K10 or is he is totally a fish then A4.

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Yah I figured he was on a flush draw...wasn't too sure about the 10, after seeing the hand though I don't think there is any way I could have gotten him off the hand with TP and a flush draw. I agree my PF was pretty bad, and a bet on the flop should have been higher. Thanks for all the feedback.