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[odlozilik]

Stage #935076420: Holdem No Limit $2 - 2008-03-18 08:04:02 (ET)

Table: HORTON AVE (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer

Seat 6 - ODLOZILIK ($393.25 in chips)
Seat 1 - ZAPINS ($237.80 in chips)
Seat 2 - DJERNAES ($344 in chips)
Seat 3 - ENFYS ($127.50 in chips)
Seat 4 - TAFFY_JONES ($1094.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - HUEVONADOR ($400.90 in chips)

ZAPINS - Posts small blind $1
DJERNAES - Posts big blind $2

*** POCKET CARDS ***

Dealt to ODLOZILIK [Kc 10c]

ENFYS - Folds
TAFFY_JONES - Folds
HUEVONADOR - Raises $8 to $8
ODLOZILIK - Calls $8
ZAPINS - Folds
DJERNAES - Folds

*** FLOP *** [3d 8c 3c]

HUEVONADOR - Bets $11
ODLOZILIK - Raises $26 to $26
HUEVONADOR - Calls $15

*** TURN *** [3d 8c 3c] [5c]

HUEVONADOR - Checks
ODLOZILIK - Bets $38
HUEVONADOR - Raises $110 to $110
ODLOZILIK - Calls $72

*** RIVER *** [3d 8c 3c 5c] [Qd]

HUEVONADOR - All-In $256.90
ODLOZILIK - ??

Should I believe villain has the boat(or nutflush)?

[gumbie]

Whatever you wanted to believe the turn was the time to believe it.

You call very large raise on turn when your hand can only get worse. Your hand didn't get worse and now you think again on river?

[odlozilik]

Whatever you wanted to believe the turn was the time to believe it.

You call very large raise on turn when your hand can only get worse. Your hand didn't get worse and now you think again on river?

OK, I know, I didn't ask specifically for the river, didn't want to post the hand 3 times. So, did you actually mean I had to push the turn?

[Jernej Zorec]

fold flop if u are not going to push this turn

[ScanX]

fold preflop

[miaowmiaowchowface]

Thing is... if he pushed the turn, how often does he make a worse hand call? Doesn't seem like that much to me (although I understand you'd need to be wary of another club coming)

[Muck]

I guess QJ club is possible, any other likely flush will have us beat.

3x is unlikely with the raise.

88 possible but statistically unlikely

Would 55 call the flop raise with only 2 outs?
Would QQ check-raise on the turn with a 3 flush on the board?
I think the FH is unlikely.

At lower limits I’d say you’re behind most of the time here to Ace Rag clubs.

I’m guessing you called and the guy turned over 67:clubs:

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

fold flop if u are not going to push this turn

That's the correct reasoning. Your plan here should be, "I'm committed if a club comes." Granted, it's a little scary he chooses to bet big here, but I still think it's a pretty obvious decision to get all the money in.

[Felting]

What's your read on this players preflop raises? does he only raise with premium hands or does he have a wider range?

If he only raises with premium hands then with the exception of something like AQ OR AJ of clubs he got nothing but air until the river. My guess is he had either the A of clubs for a busted flush draw or AQ for TPTK. AA is possible as well. with a wider range he could have an over pair like 9's or 10's or a weaker flush as well.

[MrDarling]

Fold PF unless you know your opponent, knows his opening range from the CO and how he plays post flop (which you don't, because you multi table)

I don't hate your flop raise, though it will sucks if he pushes you off your draw.
I don't necessary agree that once you put money on the flop you are committed if you hit your draw, since his range of the flop is much wider then his range on the turn once he c/r you.

Now it gets tricky, and it really down to reads and to your image. since we all know you like to slow play big hand, its pretty easy for him to take a FH out of your range. So your range (in his mind) is 3x, 8x or an over pair.can he put a flush in your range? well that depends how he sees you.

So that said, his range is : FH (88, 55 or even 33), a flush or an over pair with club.
against said range you are flipping on the turn (slightly behind if we take most over pairs out of his range, since most player will reraise the flop)

I do agree that against an aggressive player you have to make the decision on the turn. when you flat call, he will probably push the river with his entire range.

[gumbie]

Fold PF unless you know your opponent, knows his opening range from the CO and how he plays post flop (which you don't, because you multi table)

I agree.

Now it gets tricky, and it really down to reads and to your image.

I agree.

I do agree that against an aggressive player you have to make the decision on the turn. when you flat call, he will probably push the river with his entire range.

I agree.

I prefer shoving the turn mostly, but depending on ur image and his this can be a fold on the turn, a shove, a call call, and if a little deeper against CERTAIN opponents you could even call fold.


I think he shows AAc a lot here.

If he has QQc I'll lol all day.

[MrDarling]

I think he shows AAc a lot here.

+1

Though its a very weird line to take.
Need to have a very strong read on OP to take such a line.
But I think if he as any brain, a flush is the smallest part of his range, unless its the nut flush.

[odlozilik]

Now it gets tricky, and it really down to reads and to your image. since we all know you like to slow play big hand, its pretty easy for him to take a FH out of your range. So your range (in his mind) is 3x, 8x or an over pair.can he put a flush in your range? well that depends how he sees you.

Well, I had the feeling that he knows for sure I have the flush, lol! I think he probably doesn't have a specific reads on me, I don't remember I have ever played with him. So, I thought he either "bluffs" or has the nuts.

[odlozilik]

OK, time to post the result:

*** RIVER *** [3d 8c 3c 5c] [Qd]

HUEVONADOR - All-In $256.90
ODLOZILIK - All-In $249.25
HUEVONADOR - returned ($7.65) : not called

*** SHOW DOWN ***

HUEVONADOR - Shows [2c 2s] (Two Pair, threes and twos)

ODLOZILIK - Shows [Kc 10c] (Flush, king high)

ODLOZILIK Collects $786 from main pot

[Yozman]

did not consider dueces for a moment, jeez he overplayed them. how does he call ur flop raise and then chack raise u hahaha. its a 50 50 call on the river, half the time he shows aa-99 with a and other half he has aqs, ajs or 88, 55