How long until you started winning

[odlozilik]

Some players have learnt, true, but I doubt the number of donks is decreasing (and the new ones are comming), so it's ballanced somehow.

[supafrey]

nah

[suitedaces84]

It took me a few months. But only because I was stubborn and lazy. This was in '04 when a monkey with a starting hand chart could make decent money. If I tried the same 'learn it as you play' approach at the same stakes (2/4 FL) today, I'd probably end up broke and in 12 step program.

That being said, there was very little in terms of good advice back then. While the games were much easier the game was also much tougher to learn. It was also more expensive because 0.5/1 FL was the smallest game on most sites.

My advice to OP would be start from the bottom (assuming he actually wants to learn the game and be able to make money). There's no reason to lose $1000 learning this game. That just demonstrates a lack of patience and self control--which are important skills in poker.

Start at the smallest game. Play that until you've won 15 buy-ins at it, then do the same at the second smallest game, and so on. By the time you're playing $0.25/0.5 you'll have a lot of experience, knowledge and a proper bankroll. This way you're getting paid to learn instead of paying to learn.

[suitedaces84]

It's not "now you suck". It's that everyone around you has studied and learned more than you. The game is going to get harder forever, are you prepared to keep up?

This is spot on imo. The game has evolved quite a bit in the past few years. The tricks I used when I started don't trick anybody anymore. Everyone knows those tricks and how to counter them.

This cycle happens over and over (often within single sessions). Good players (and some bad players who aren't dumb) tend to adjust very quickly. You need to adjust to their adjustments, then they adjust to your adjustments, and so on. Poker is not a static thing.

It's easy to come up with an exploitative/exploatable (get why these words mean the same thing?) line based on assumptions about how your opponents misplay their hands. They figure out what you're doing and start misplaying their hands in a different way, before you know it, you're the one being exploited.

[lwestatbus]

But as od says, Just now I suck.

It's not "now you suck". It's that everyone around you has studied and learned more than you. The game is going to get harder forever, are you prepared to keep up?

Not sure about odlozilik's original meaning but mine has a bit of nuance to it. In my case, "just now" means "at this moment in time" as in "I'm on a real down swing". I'm still making money overall and I think that I'm keeping up. The bankroll says I am, the wife says I'm not.

[Ryan_j37]

I was winning straight away at party 2c/4c on my bankroll that I was given. I've never deposited any of my own money.

[Brucio]

I was winning straight away at party 2c/4c on my bankroll that I was given. I've never deposited any of my own money.

Seems just a bit boastful.

haha