Huge mistake at the local casino

[Garoen]

1/2NL at the local casino. Buy in for 60, take my seat and start chatting up the guy to my left. Apparently the monster stack two players to my right is an aggresive spewtard getting lucky all night. Called down to the river w/ 8-3 off, trumping another players KK by catching an 8 on the turn and a 3 on the river. Anyway, first hand I pick up QQ and raise, action folds to spewtard who calls and we see a J-10-4 flop. I can't get away and lose my stack on the 1st hand when he tables J-10 for two pair and the win.

Fast forward 2 hours. I've knocked out one player and pulled a couple pots without showdown. I pick up 44, UTG limps, couple fold, another limp, another fold and I limp in a late position seat. rest fold. Flop comes 9-7-4. UTG makes a huge bet, pf limper calls, I stare down UTG and push my stack all in. (Somehow I ended up playing vs. 700+ dollar stacks at 1/2 so my push isn't really that much of a stretch for him to call.)

This guy is a strong reg and I know he has a hand. I'm hoping overpair or tptk. We begin chatting up the hand, really staring down and trying to get some reads. I tell him he has nines and I can beat nines. My philosophy here is that if the huge stack is holding the strongest table hand he will not be able to lay it down w/ the short stack telling him he's beat. UTG tanks FOREVER (Longest I've ever been in that spot) and folds due to a poor kicker. My psychology backfires to a certain degree. We chuckle and I absentmindedly toss my set of fours in the muck.


UTG erupts, pointing out my huge mistake,followed by shouts and groans all around the table. The PF limper to my right has won the hand without showdown. (At the time he claims to have had the stronger set but later admits to being on a str8 draw.) This is a table with a lot of friendly guys who I've been chatting with all night. They genuinely feel for me but it was totally my mistake. One player makes the comment that he feels he needs to get up and take a walk just having WATCHED the hand.

In retrospect, I simply wasn't paying enough attention. But at the same time, everyone has their story like this if they've played enough live poker. And it truly does happen to the best of us. (Raymond Rahme folding the winning set of 8's in the WSOP anyone?)

Consequently, I used the event to my advantage. Shoving my stack into a couple of younger inexperienced kids claiming outloud "I'm a monkey on tilt." (And then tabling hands that have them crushed after they snapcall w/ tpgk to my overpair.)

[miaowmiaowchowface]

die shortstacker

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

die shortstacker

Don't hate because he's taking advantage of the setup and you don't know how to adjust.

[supafrey]

die shortstacker

Don't hate because he's taking advantage of the setup and you don't know how to adjust.

What if we know how to adjust, and we just hate shortstackers because they make the game boring as hell just to win a tiny amount of the BB's I win fullstacked? Not to mention the constant reloads live slow down games a ton. There's plenty of reasons to hate shortstackers.

Oh and they're usually bad people. That too.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

die shortstacker

Don't hate because he's taking advantage of the setup and you don't know how to adjust.

What if we know how to adjust, and we just hate shortstackers because they make the game boring as hell just to win a tiny amount of the BB's I win fullstacked? Not to mention the constant reloads live slow down games a ton. There's plenty of reasons to hate shortstackers.

Oh and they're usually bad people. That too.

They steal from blind people also btw

[Gunslinger]

Geez, people, I don't know where Garoen is, but in L.A. $60 at $1/$2 NL is a deep stack buy-in most places.

Garoen, that is definitely one of those live mistakes that you only have to make once for it to stick in your head forever. Other tips are: always physically protect your hand during play, and at showdown, never release your cards until you see a hand that beats yours or the pot is being pushed your way.

[Ensano]

Oh and they're usually bad people. That too.

shortstackers aren't bad people...

horses are bad people...

[miaowmiaowchowface]

actually I've done this twice lol

[lwestatbus]

I've never mucked like this but I turned my cards face up on the turn when one player called all in forgetting the third player still in the hand down at the other end of the table. They let the hand play out and I won so I just lost a bet or two but I felt pretty foolish.

[MrDarling]

I've done this once not knowing there was another person actually in the hand (he was sitting behind the dealer). But it was a friendly casino and they decided to chop the flop (my straight vs his TPTK)

Anyway, hope you learned two lessons. First, never talk during a hand. You made UTG fold which is very bad for you.
Second mistake, well I've decided to simply start keeping my card until they push the chips my way. But really haven't played enough live in casino to test my discipline.

[Phil14312]

God how hard is to just never muck until the dealer pushes you the pot? You've tilted me.

[goodfoot]

I mucked on a river of a $120 dollar pot where both of us were playing the board. I wasn't too mad though; I had made about $600 that night.

[HalfSugar]

I ALWAYS wait until the pot is heading my way before mucking. The main reason for this is actually so that I don't throw my cards just as the dealer starts to move the pot in case they flip over which I've seen happen a couple of times.

I mucked on a river of a $120 dollar pot where both of us were playing the board.

I've seen quite a few players do this. I've also seen a tournament hand where on a board of AKQJTr with 3 players to act on the river, first position shoved and the other two folded. GG WP.

[Felting]

God how hard is to just never muck until the dealer pushes you the pot? You've tilted me.

I usually wait till they ask for the cards back.

[acomacardroom]

I play quite a bit of live poker and recommend you get in the habit of holding onto your cards until the dealer pushes the chips to you. I've mucked a hand after everyone else mucked and it was pretty obvious I was the last, but the dealer almost gave the pot to someone else. Keep the cards till you get the pot.