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i run good and play bad

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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:00 am GMT

Benyamine is teh spot in this game. CO is hyperaggressive, but i don't 3bet bc he won't be 4betting lite very often, and my hand becomes a bluff.

I'm halfstacking on the other table and not reloading, so they know I'm probably a bit scared money this deep. SB has been 3betting me frequently despite generally being a huge nit. He's clearly loosened up knowing I am gonna be fairly tight. I've 4bet him twice and both times he folded. I expect him to squeeze quite often in this spot, bc I'll have junk I don't always wanna defend.

Again I think 4betting is turning into a bluff, and this hand plays superwell postflop, so ya.

Ok Flop seems like an obvious flat, because my raising range is really tight and when I raise it's gonna look strong as, and I'm guessing he'll fold a ton of hands except AK and AA. Maybe KQ.

My question is, whats our best turn action, giving I think he thinks we'll likely check back a lot of showdownable hands like KQ n stuff. problem is if we check back we can't get our stack in on the river vs AA AK KQ, but can we really stack those anyway?

Seat 1: V ($74873 in chips)
Seat 3: benyamine ($39043 in chips)
Seat 4: ($48985 in chips)
Seat 6: H ($53230 in chips)
V: posts small blind $200
: posts big blind $400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H [Td Ts]
: raises $800 to $1200
H: calls $1200
V: raises $3750 to $4950
: folds
: folds
H: calls $3750
*** FLOP *** [Ks 8h Th]
V: bets $7775
H: calls $7775
*** TURN *** [Ks 8h Th] [3d]
V: checks
H: ???
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Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:39 am GMT

Don't overthink yourself. Just bet enough to set up river shove and let him worry about what he'll call with.
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Postby Jernej Zorec » Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:56 am GMT

lets say u check back and then raise him on non heart river, would he be able to put u on any bluff hand with the line ? or is your pf play taking those hands our of your range?
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:19 am GMT

Jernej Zorec wrote:lets say u check back and then raise him on non heart river, would he be able to put u on any bluff hand with the line ? or is your pf play taking those hands our of your range?

nah i think pf can include missed draws n crap, and I think he'd think im more likely 2 bluff river than to float-2barrel, though i may be wrong. also advantage of float 2-b is that we may get at least 1 bet out of him, but I think he himself is often double barreling the top of his range because he doesnt expect me to float.
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Postby gumbie » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:12 pm GMT

Whatever you do don't check the turn, preflop is poop and flop is poop too :)
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Postby HalfSugar » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:36 pm GMT

Fold the turn face up while saying "I know you have it and I'm not drawing against a made hand". Then lol.
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:59 am GMT

xDiamond_CutteRx wrote:Don't overthink yourself. Just bet enough to set up river shove and let him worry about what he'll call with.

obv this is what i did, since I am a total retard.

river is K :heart:

he checks after some cogitation. We bet how much, and why?
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Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:20 am GMT

Shove, because if you bet enough on the turn, he calls with a lot of Kings and flushes.
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Postby Yozman » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:48 am GMT

i 3bet flop. board too drawy and a 3 bet say Kx to me if im villain. i open shove river as played
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Postby Ciso_B » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:47 pm GMT

I'm not sure how much u bet on turn so it's hard to say what a good bet on the river might be.Probably shove?

I'm not sure I give this guy AA,AK here tho, looks morel ike Q-Q or something. Not saying this changes anything for you cos u beat that hand, but might alter your bet size on river ?

fwiw, i like turn betting too, cos its harder for him to give u credit for a monster when u only flat on such a draw heavy board.
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Postby Ciso_B » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:48 pm GMT

xDiamond_CutteRx wrote:Shove, because if you bet enough on the turn, he calls with a lot of Kings and flushes.


True, but I think you're giving villain credit for a stronger hand than he has.
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