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I slowplay HU and then I?

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I slowplay HU and then I?

Postby tame_deuces » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:31 pm GMT

Regular micro 20$ homegame hand vs a very bad player, who is also extremely passive - though now the game has gotten HU and he seems to suddenly wake up and bet/raise a ton with no gameplan whatsoever, and I win a lot just by calling him down.

He doesn't read boards well (he knows his hand, but he'll fear no board), doesn't really consider my hand, and would probably 4 barrel both bluffs and made hands.

This hand I just decided to slowplay for once in my life, and I think an interesting river decision came up:

Effective stacks around 300~BB

All bets in BB sizes.

I'm in the BB with [Kd Td]
Villain raises 4x, I call

Flop is: [Ks Ts 6h]
I figure I for once in my life will just slowplay.
I check, villain pots, I call.

Turn is [3d]
I check, villain fires around 20, I call

River is [6s]
I check, villain fires 30, I...?
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Postby miaowmiaowchowface » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:43 pm GMT

How can u fold? If he had a flush draw he'd probably take at least one free card, so that's out. If he has a 6, trips or Aces sobeit. I call against basically anyone, but then again I'm a station ...
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Postby Felting » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:41 pm GMT

you got paid already by the turn, Should of pushed over the top of him. KISS(Keep it simple (select your on S word for here))

edit: didn't see the stack sizes. Just call and play small ball with the donk. If the stacks where a lot shorter I get it in on the turn.
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Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:31 pm GMT

I call and expect to win a fair share of the time.

I probably raise on the turn also.
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Postby jeffonline » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:39 pm GMT

He has not come out firing all 4 barrels as appears to be his thing and you are slow playing which is a variation from your normal play. This warrants caution, you have not obtained any information and he’s not playing as expected. I’m confused so I would just call. I think pocket AA or 66 here could be possible.
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Postby MrDarling » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:13 am GMT

It really depends how does he react to raises with his ok hand.
Did he bet and call raises Second pair top kicker?
Can he just call with TP or will he raise it?

If he is decent enough to know not to raise a worse hand or raise bluff (really unlikely) you can consider raising/folding this river.

But the way its played, just calling is ok also. If he as any kind of a brain it should slw him down on bluffing and value betting marginal hands and will allow you to catch more free cards and getting to cheap SD when you desire.

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Postby tame_deuces » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:50 am GMT

I'm obviously never folding, As for playing the flop/turn etc. differently I'd rarely play the hand like this - but it isn't a dreadfully important discussion either, its HU and a ton of stuff can work.

No, the question here is what MrDarling touched on, is there any merit to raising? What info I had about him is posted in the 1st post.
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Postby Phil14312 » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:06 pm GMT

Do you really wanna open yourself up to a big 3-bet now? Only option is to call, but it was really raising the flop or turn.
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Postby tame_deuces » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:39 pm GMT

If he 3-bets I'm fairly confident vs this kind of player, I can muck my cards without thinking twice about having the best hand.
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Postby MrDarling » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:24 pm GMT

The real problem. Is villain bad enough/aggressive enough to reraise a worse hand for value?
Would he ever call with worse?

If you have no real good reads about his HU play, and this game will last for a while (or you might play with him again) there is value in calling and seeing his hand.
You can consider a min raise if you're sure he never raise worse. But I really find it hard to see him calling with less then trips..
If you were calling him down lite a 6 is a big part of your range. Am pretty sure you'd play a FD more aggressively but am nut sure he will be aware of it.
So if he is thinking just a little he should be able to get away from TPGK or an over pair.
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Postby tame_deuces » Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:29 pm GMT

MrDarling wrote:The real problem. Is villain bad enough/aggressive enough to reraise a worse hand for value?
Would he ever call with worse?


No, I don't think he would raise anything here except a lock, I'm pretty certain he calls with a king, he def calls with anything that beats me - and unless it was missed from post no.1 the best bet for this hand is that he has zilch.
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Postby UrAteUp » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:09 pm GMT

You either call or raise in this situation. If you feel your beat, which I highly doubt you are, then just call and go get your fish suit ready.
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Re: I slowplay HU and then I?

Postby golddog » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:30 pm GMT

tame_deuces wrote:Regular micro 20$ homegame hand vs a very bad player...


Against a very bad player, they'll make enough mistakes that you can be careful. Pretty soon they'll get their money in even worse.

I think I call and grind it out some more.
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