I won, but just curious what you would do...
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Beginners (unless she was an experienced 'old lady', but calling a raise w/Q9 doesn't show much) will usually play a set hard regardless of how the board looks (ie--they won't slow play it with a rainbow flop, or try and get as many callers as they can to maximize payoff). So when it went heads up on the turn and her straight calling a single raise wouldn't be correct for a set of 9's. Also you gotta see her reaction to the 9 on the river...her re-raising (to the point of willing to go all in) was almost perfect as there was only one hand that could beat hers--pocket Queens. But being new, she probably didn't connect the clues--the pre-flop raise, the raise on the flop and turn, etc. She simply saw her boat, saw that there was only one hand she could lose to, simply dismissed that and wanted to keep raising.
I was under a somewhat similar situation 2 nights ago with K8s (on the button). Someone raised pre-flop and I called. Flop came K-5-5 and I bet out on the checked flop and got check-raised. Now the game is loose, but not that crazy, so the only way I'm beat is by A5 (highly possible with the check-raise) or 5-5 (I dismiss this possibility) or KK (again this would put all 4 of a card out on the flop as I hold one King). So I, along with a few others call, turn is a rag, raiser bets again, everyone remains. Now the river, another 5. Now I know 5-5 wasn't a possibility and with the exception of A-5 I have just about the nuts (5 for the quads, KK for Kings full, AA for 555AA, and any King (my hand) for 555KK). First position player who was checking and calling now bets out, raiser flat calls, and the other player calls and I'm last.
I could now call and not drain any more money if someone holds that 5. However with the raiser KNOWING I have been checking and calling after getting re-raised on the flop he must know with almost any certainity that I would just call--he would be much better raising. I stare him down, sense weakness and raise. Originally better calls, he re-raises and the other player calls and now its back on me. Knowing he wasn't good enough to let me do the raising and feign a poor hand to get me to raise I was 99% sure I had him beat. Still, I had reached that limit where enough was enough. I called and the original better called. He flips up 10-10 for 5s full of tens (a very poor hand at the river) someone mucks, I show 555KK and another player shows KJ for 555KK. We split a nice pot (managed to still get like $50 even splitting it).
Basically the point is, with her flat calls to your rasie shows weakness, so if she had the quads you gotta just pay her off.
I was under a somewhat similar situation 2 nights ago with K8s (on the button). Someone raised pre-flop and I called. Flop came K-5-5 and I bet out on the checked flop and got check-raised. Now the game is loose, but not that crazy, so the only way I'm beat is by A5 (highly possible with the check-raise) or 5-5 (I dismiss this possibility) or KK (again this would put all 4 of a card out on the flop as I hold one King). So I, along with a few others call, turn is a rag, raiser bets again, everyone remains. Now the river, another 5. Now I know 5-5 wasn't a possibility and with the exception of A-5 I have just about the nuts (5 for the quads, KK for Kings full, AA for 555AA, and any King (my hand) for 555KK). First position player who was checking and calling now bets out, raiser flat calls, and the other player calls and I'm last.
I could now call and not drain any more money if someone holds that 5. However with the raiser KNOWING I have been checking and calling after getting re-raised on the flop he must know with almost any certainity that I would just call--he would be much better raising. I stare him down, sense weakness and raise. Originally better calls, he re-raises and the other player calls and now its back on me. Knowing he wasn't good enough to let me do the raising and feign a poor hand to get me to raise I was 99% sure I had him beat. Still, I had reached that limit where enough was enough. I called and the original better called. He flips up 10-10 for 5s full of tens (a very poor hand at the river) someone mucks, I show 555KK and another player shows KJ for 555KK. We split a nice pot (managed to still get like $50 even splitting it).
Basically the point is, with her flat calls to your rasie shows weakness, so if she had the quads you gotta just pay her off.
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