KEM Red Arrow on Ebay Fakes? Comparison PICS..

adidino · by **adidino** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:36 pm GMT

I know this was mentioned on this forum so I decided to do some comp pics. I received a set of KEM red arrows from ebay about two weeks ago. As soon as I took them out of the package I noticed some differences. First, the stock is much rougher than the KEMS I've been playing with. Second was the print quality of the cards. Check out the ACE pics below.. You be the judge..

Original KEM on right, Ebay KEM on Left. Notice the way the "A" is too close to the edge on the Ebay vs the original KEM. The 800 # is also missing from the Ebay version.

EBAY VERSION (ABOVE)

ORIGINAL KEM (ABOVE)

Check out the detail of the girl on the Original vs the Ebay. Also notice how the print is a bit saturated on the Ebay version where the original KEM is clean. If you look closely.. you can also see the soft ridges on the stock vs the sand paper feel and look of the Ebay version.

Just some observations.. thought I would share them.

Always_Bored · by **Always_Bored** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:08 pm GMT

thats good to know. Maybe you should report the seller to ebay saying he may be selling fakes and passing them off as real. How much did you pay for them? A lot less? How do the cards feel?

adidino · by **adidino** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:12 pm GMT

They feel sort of like mild sand paper.. I'm not too crazy about the feel. I think I paid $20 shipped for 1 deck.. so It wasn't cheap but I'm not going to persue it. Cost be 20 bucks to know to keep away from the Ebay Kems.

TheNuts · by **TheNuts** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:17 pm GMT

Do you remember the eBay seller's ID?

I just won 2 decks of Blue Arrows from eBay....... Hoping I'm not getting scammed :evil:

Always_Bored · by **Always_Bored** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:25 pm GMT

I just checked the ones i ordered from ebay and they have the 1800 number on them. I think mine are real. They also dont feel like sandpaper.

Prettey Toney · by **Prettey Toney** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:29 pm GMT

The "real" Kem's should have a smooth finish with almost a flexible "rubbery" feeling, with the long wavy "grain" when looked at right.

They should not have the "gritty" feeling or texture, and should not at all be that "stiff" feeling.

These are like the bad ones I got. Somethings fishy there.

ChkDeezNuts · by **ChkDeezNuts** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:37 pm GMT

Adidino...those Kems you got are "seconds" meaning they are the defective ones that the Company instead of throwing away sells at 80% discounts to retailers....The problem is that the seller did not notify you of the status of these cards.

I once bought a lot of "BEES" that were seconds because all the decks had the Ace of Diamonds printed too close to the edge. The lot was 100 decks.....I paid $25 for the lot....get the picture?

Report that seller for false advertising. He sold you a defective product and passed it off as "new".

galderon · by **galderon** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:48 pm GMT

I while back I noticed that problem...I ordered two KEM decks, and one was definately poorer quality...scratchy stock, inferior printing, and poorer cutting:

www.texasholdem-poker.com/forum/t5748/n ... ated-equal

ChkDeezNuts · by **ChkDeezNuts** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:50 pm GMT

Not to spam....but I own two sets of Copags....and you don't see me complaining...just throwing that out there.

adidino · by **adidino** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:56 pm GMT

The user ID was KEMSTORE I believe or KEM something. If they are 2nds, then they should be considered fakes because they don't compare.. really.. the paper, the print.. all wrong. Poor quality.

adidino · by **adidino** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:58 pm GMT

ChkDeezNuts wrote:Adidino...those Kems you got are "seconds" meaning they are the defective ones that the Company instead of throwing away sells at 80% discounts to retailers....The problem is that the seller did not notify you of the status of these cards.

I once bought a lot of "BEES" that were seconds because all the decks had the Ace of Diamonds printed too close to the edge. The lot was 100 decks.....I paid $25 for the lot....get the picture?

Report that seller for false advertising. He sold you a defective product and passed it off as "new".

If that was the only problem with the card, I would believe that.. but the saturation of the print.. wrong paper, the 800# missing.. too many things wrong with it to be considered a 2nd's..

ott · by **ott** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:22 pm GMT

adidino wrote:If that was the only problem with the card, I would believe that.. but the saturation of the print.. wrong paper, the 800# missing.. too many things wrong with it to be considered a 2nd's..

1st of all, Kems are not made from "wrong paper". They're plastic cards. To be precise, cellulose acetate. 2nd, 800# missing, the ones you claim are fake are made on March 1990. The other set was made on November 2002. That's quite a difference of time between when each set was made. I would've hope Kem's quality would improve over time in that 12 year period. The formulation of their "plastic" cards could've changed in that period of time. Look at the USPC version of Kems. They are also slightly different from Kems when they were still making them.

adidino · by **adidino** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:42 pm GMT

ott wrote:
adidino wrote:If that was the only problem with the card, I would believe that.. but the saturation of the print.. wrong paper, the 800# missing.. too many things wrong with it to be considered a 2nd's..

1st of all, Kems are not made from "wrong paper". They're plastic cards. To be precise, cellulose acetate. 2nd, 800# missing, the ones you claim are fake are made on March 1990. The other set was made on November 2002. That's quite a difference of time between when each set was made. I would've hope Kem's quality would improve over time in that 12 year period. The formulation of their "plastic" cards could've changed in that period of time. Look at the USPC version of Kems. They are also slightly different from Kems when they were still making them.

So you think it's just an older deck? That would make this deck 15 yrs old.. I don't think that's likely.. I would venture to say that it was copied from a 15 yr old deck..

Always_Bored · by **Always_Bored** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:42 pm GMT

ott wrote:
adidino wrote:If that was the only problem with the card, I would believe that.. but the saturation of the print.. wrong paper, the 800# missing.. too many things wrong with it to be considered a 2nd's..

1st of all, Kems are not made from "wrong paper". They're plastic cards. To be precise, cellulose acetate. 2nd, 800# missing, the ones you claim are fake are made on March 1990. The other set was made on November 2002. That's quite a difference of time between when each set was made. I would've hope Kem's quality would improve over time in that 12 year period. The formulation of their "plastic" cards could've changed in that period of time. Look at the USPC version of Kems. They are also slightly different from Kems when they were still making them.

very good points. Maybe they arent fake, they are just old.

TheNuts · by **TheNuts** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:52 pm GMT

Where does one see Born On Date?? :?:

KEM Red Arrow on Ebay Fakes? Comparison PICS..

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