Limp/Call PF Villain Fires Twice

[Garoen]

PokerStars Game #18619927640: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/07/06 - 08:48:51 (ET)
Table 'Demophon V' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Thoralf Leid ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($10 in chips)
Seat 3: ivanwinWSOP ($10.65 in chips)
Seat 4: xerxes64 ($6 in chips)
Seat 5: war tyrant ($9.30 in chips)
Seat 6: phmSo69th ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 7: monetensucht ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 8: Villain ($6.55 in chips)
Seat 9: keevo1 ($10 in chips)
phmSo69th: posts small blind $0.05
monetensucht: posts big blind $0.10
Hero: posts big blind $0.10
xerxes64: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As Qc]
Villain: calls $0.10
keevo1: folds
Thoralf Leid: folds
Hero: raises $0.20 to $0.30
ivanwinWSOP: folds
xerxes64: folds
war tyrant: folds
phmSo69th: folds
monetensucht: calls $0.20
Villain: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [Jd 3h Qh]
monetensucht: checks
Villain: bets $0.30
Hero: calls $0.30
monetensucht: folds
*** TURN *** [Jd 3h Qh] [Ad]
Villain: bets $0.50
Hero: ?

[Garoen]

no history with villain he is 31/0/3 hasn't been out of line from what i had seen.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

preflop needs to be bigger, raise the flop for value/hand protection, same goes for turn.

[ErinJeff]

It's unusual for a Villain at NL10 to semibluff a flush draw, so the most likely hand(s) I see for him are QJ and KQ, or maybe KT/9T, possibly suited. I would raise the turn bet to $1.25. You now beat most of his range (which is pretty big). If he 3bets the turn you have a decision, is top 2 to get it in. It usually is at NL10.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

It's unusual for a Villain at NL10 to semibluff a flush draw, so the most likely hand(s) I see for him are QJ and KQ, or maybe KT/9T, possibly suited. I would raise the turn bet to $1.25. You now beat most of his range (which is pretty big). If he 3bets the turn you have a decision, is top 2 to get it in. It usually is at NL10.

fist pump or victory dance?

[Ensano]

vilian most likely has a FD or a Q...

raise the flop to A) make the FD pay and B) define your hand...

turn... as played i'm not thinking FD anymore.. AQ, KQ, QJ or set.. so there's only a 1 in 6 chance your opponent is going to call a raise AND HAVE A WORSE HAND..

turn... call and get your raise in on the river...


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,684 games 0.005 secs 536,800 games/sec

Board: Jd 3h Qh Ad
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.566% 67.29% 03.28% 1806 88.00 { AsQc }
Hand 1: 29.434% 26.15% 03.28% 702 88.00 { QQ-JJ, 33, AhKh, AcQc, AdQd, AsQs, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ad6d, Ah6h, Ad5d, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah2h, KcQc, KdQd, KsQs, KhJh, KhTh, Kh9h, Kh8h, Kh7h, Kh6h, Kh5h, Kh4h, Kh2h, QJs, JhTh, Jh9h, Th9h, 9h8h, 8h7h, 7h6h, 6h5h, 5h4h, AQo, KJo+, QJo }


after turn...

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,100 games 0.005 secs 220,000 games/sec

Board: Jd 3h Qh Ad
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.636% 53.64% 08.00% 590 88.00 { AsQc }
Hand 1: 38.364% 30.36% 08.00% 334 88.00 { QQ-JJ, 33, AcQc, AdQd, AsQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo, QJo }

[Garoen]

Tons of good feedback here. MiaowMiaow I agree the pf raise was a little light, but as far as smooth-calling the flop that is a pretty standard move for me when I have strong holdings and I may miss the opportunity to get paid on a second street from the lagtards I sit with often. I guess looking back the limp/call could signify a strong hand that is not likely to fold to my raise, but am I calling a 3-bet AI? A lot of people seem to overplay tptk in these type of situations and before they know it they have their stack in the middle w/ 1 pair.

[Jernej Zorec]

i just call turn and probably raise river small if none of flushes gets there, only call his bet if flush does come

[miaowmiaowchowface]

Tons of good feedback here. MiaowMiaow I agree the pf raise was a little light, but as far as smooth-calling the flop that is a pretty standard move for me when I have strong holdings and I may miss the opportunity to get paid on a second street from the lagtards I sit with often. I guess looking back the limp/call could signify a strong hand that is not likely to fold to my raise, but am I calling a 3-bet AI? A lot of people seem to overplay tptk in these type of situations and before they know it they have their stack in the middle w/ 1 pair.

don't make moves w/people you'll never meet again or who wont adjust it's 10NL u should valueraise the fk out of that flop. TPTK is the nutz

[odlozilik]

Those silly donkbets mostly mean villain wants to keep the pot small, often with the draw, or weak pair testing you, where he stands. Raise it, if you have the hand, or even if you don't.

[Garoen]

Hero: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Jd 3h Qh Ad] [2c]
Villain: bets $0.50
Hero: raises $1 to $1.50
Villain: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [As Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Villain: shows [Qs Qd] (three of a kind, Queens)
Villain collected $5.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.65 | Rake $0.25
Board [Jd 3h Qh Ad 2c]
Seat 1: Thoralf Leid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hero showed [As Qc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 3: ivanwinWSOP folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: xerxes64 folded before Flop
Seat 5: war tyrant (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: phmSo69th (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: monetensucht (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Villain showed [Qs Qd] and won ($5.40) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 9: keevo1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


lol cashaments laff laff reload?

[miaowmiaowchowface]

lol@ results, lucky u got away so cheap

[ErinJeff]

lol@ results, lucky u got away so cheap

Ditto.