linecheck-QQ from the BB.

[miaowmiaowchowface]

($0.25/$0.50)
Table 'Carolina III' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: japo07 ($21.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Dummkobb ($52.20 in chips)
Seat 4: coach_lowe ($52.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Jatuna ($30.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($64.45 in chips)
Seat 7: marrle ($50 in chips)
Jatuna: posts small blind $0.25
Hero: posts big blind $0.50
altom107: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qh Qc]
marrle: folds
japo07: folds
Dummkobb: folds
coach_lowe: raises $1.50 to $2
Jatuna: folds
Hero: raises $4 to $6
coach_lowe: raises $12 to $18
Hero: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [Kh 7h Th]

Of note. I think my opponent is kinda fishy..
My image is quite aggro. I raise pf constantly and 3bet blindsteals alot too.


all in pf? or wait for flop n reeval.
what to do on flop... c/c?

[Ensano]

i could be wrong but with QQ i like to see a flop to a 3bet..

this pot i think i c/r AI...

[Jauron]

I'm thiking donk the flop and give up if called/raised. If he's fairly tight with 3-bets we can only really beat JJ.

I dunno I may play these badly, maybe I should be looking to get it in with the 2nd nut flush draw and 2nd pair... are we ahead of his range enough to do this?

[gumbie]

I like shoving preflop better

are we ahead of his range enough to do this?

We don't need to be ahead of his range, there is 37$ in the pot and he has 34$ behind.

[ErinJeff]

I'm thiking donk the flop and give up if called/raised. If he's fairly tight with 3-bets we can only really beat JJ.

How much given the pot size and effective stacks can you donk this flop? 1/2 pot is $18 and I can't see committing 1/2 my stack and then folding. I would probably push this flop OOP and expect to get called by AA/KK/AK and any heart.

[Jauron]

You know I think when I looked at the HH I was thinking this was .5/1 NL and we had full stacks. Doh!

Push preflop or lay down to tight player. Given our image is pretty aggro I push.

[kingetje]

i absolutely HATE that call preflop....

[MrDarling]

yeah, calling 4bets its horrible unless you BOTH are real deep (talking 200BB+ deep) or you are trapping.
Personally I don't like to trap with QQ.

Sometimes I can fold QQ PF in 6max, but not against most people who don't sit with a full stack.

[Ensano]

they are both over full stack...

?

[miaowmiaowchowface]

Actually I was really unhappy with just calling here as well. I guess a shove really is better.

As it happened, I had no idea wtf to do on the flop so I just shoved and expected to be called by AK AA KK as said.

they folded... I'm guessing the only hands I ever make fold are QQ JJ and maybe QK.

I thought this hand was quite teh trainwreck, so worth a post lol

[supafrey]

I like shoving preflop better

I don't.

Well, sometimes.. Prolly about 30% of the time.
Considering I'm first to act, I like donkbetting out my pairs, but pushing with my AK preflop. Getting 5 cards vs 3, etc. Letting them only get 3 cards, etc.

Edit: These kind of hands seem really stat based. Even a mildly loose button would demand a push pre. Against "regular" ops I don't think it's as "hateful" as you guys are making it sound.

[MrDarling]

I like shoving preflop better

I don't.

You call 4bets?

[supafrey]

my vpip at 10 max is like 23. I HAVE to push. Some people play tighter and you can basically define their hands as AK/KK/AA in this situation. On certain flops, I know some people would be ready to muck kk if an A comes. AK has less value over three cards than five, so we can also maybe get a little extra value instead of the coinflip. These are just possibilities, I just don't think this hand is 100% push.

[gumbie]

my vpip at 10 max is like 23.

vpip has no impact on this decision at all.

[supafrey]

my vpip at 10 max is like 23.

vpip has no impact on this decision at all.

bs bs bs.

I 3bet so light that his 4bet could be anything.

There's a lot of people that will only do this with AQs+/JJ+ or tighter. I like the stop and push sometimes against them.