ME ft discuss ++Spoiler++

[mortaleclipse]

So what was everyones thoughts on the table. I thought it was very good. Some huge swings with bluffs and miracle cards. Everyone in general I thought played well. Heads up match was cool with two good players. kidna weird how Eastgaet didnt even really look excited once he fliped over the winning hand. He just kinda sat there and look at Ivan funny.

[jimmer]

Please write spolier in big letters in your title. (I know a lot of players haven't seen the final table on TV yet)

-I know your title kinda suggests there may be a few spoilers but just to save the confusion and people moaning.

[Gunslinger]

Well, I successfully avoided all media for two days and didn't know anything until I watched it (man I got a LOT of work done yesterday by not opening the internet!) And although the ESPN broadcast was a hack job as always, and it certainly doesn't seem like this delay made a big splash to garner more attention for poker, it was damn exciting to watch not knowing what was going to happen.

I was very happy that it was Demidov and Eastgate in the final two, they have both shown a lot of skill throughout the broadcasts. Demidov's AQ hand vs. Philips' AK made my jaw drop, what a great read Demidov must have had on him.

I was slightly rooting for Demidov to take it down, but I am MOST happy that Hellmuth's record was broken. Seriously, I hate that guy.

Well played, Peter Eastgate, I love his calm demeanor at the table, let's see how he is as an ambassador for poker. He can't do any worse than the last two guys.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

I thought the editing for the FT was absolutely terrible. They go to all this trouble to make a special presentation all these months later, and what do they do? They make it the same shitty highlight reel. They should have made it a 3-hour show rather than 2 hours. Two hands from a heads up match that lasted for over 6 hours??? That is absolutely atrocious. What I hate more than anything is that they made it look like Eastgate was just another Jamie Gold or Jerry Yang getting run over with the deck, when he really did play some amazing Poker. He is easily the rival of Hachem, maybe better.

Delaying the final table was an interesting thought, but unless they make some real changes to its presentation, it will stay an incredibly stupid idea.

On the plus side, this is probably the first time in a long time that the two best players at the table (IMO) have gotten heads-up.

I hate ESPN.

[zinn0]

two moderators post in this thread and nobody edited the title to include the word spoiler?

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

two moderators post in this thread and nobody edited the title to include the word spoiler?

If you will notice the tags, jimmer and I don't have mod powers on this subforum. :}

[jimmer]

two moderators post in this thread and nobody edited the title to include the word spoiler?

hence the reason why I asked morta to do it in the first post

[PLOCH]

So what was everyones thoughts on the table. I thought it was very good. Some huge swings with bluffs and miracle cards. Everyone in general I thought played well. Heads up match was cool with two good players. kidna weird how Eastgaet didnt even really look excited once he fliped over the winning hand. He just kinda sat there and look at Ivan funny.

I hope those who play online and always cry how it's rigged watched that final table. Anything can happen regardless of percentages.
I was kind of surprised at how often these guys go after pots with nothing.
I liked the crowd too. Very exciting.
I really don't know how you could edit all the hours of play into two hours.

[xDiamond_CutteRx]

I think ESPN should start editing all baseball games to show only the hits and runs, and maybe a couple cool double plays and strike outs. And start editing Football games to show only touchdowns, field goals, and Hail Mary passes, with a couple interceptions and turnovers thrown in. I mean, those are the only things anyone would want to watch, right?

Highlight reels are good an all that, but something needs to change on TV Poker coverage, because it's getting very tired.

[PLOCH]

I think ESPN should start editing all baseball games to show only the hits and runs, and maybe a couple cool double plays and strike outs. And start editing Football games to show only touchdowns, field goals, and Hail Mary passes, with a couple interceptions and turnovers thrown in. I mean, those are the only things anyone would want to watch, right?

Highlight reels are good an all that, but something needs to change on TV Poker coverage, because it's getting very tired.

All they could do is show the whole thing live, every hand. I remember a few years ago FSN did this with Full Tilt pros. It was interesting.

[mortaleclipse]

Yea i agree with you Diamond, it kinda shows Eastgate getting only his huge hands, which obviously the kid plays very well. Even Ivan said he wanted to stay out of his way durning the FT. Sorry about not saying spoilers, figured MT discussion kinda gave it away.

I must say besides all the crap ESPN does to the coverage it was a great FT. The fold Ivan does with K7 was crazy awesome, must of been tough.

[Dave B]

I thought that all they showed was a horrible all in fest. With the exception of a couple big laydowns, it was very lame.

Also, WTF is with the blinds so high at the WSOP? I dont remember things being so in the past.

[golddog]

With respect to the editing, don't forget, we're likely not the target demographic of ESPN.

Their goal for any of their telecasts is to attract viewers. They know we're already going to watch, I guess the purpose of showing the 'highlight reel' is they think it will attract the casual or even non-player.

That being said, I agree that the editing left a lot to be desired.

I don't think live works either, I suppose there's some risk of cheating or collusion (if nothing else, it would be easy to text a player on break about what cards the opponents were showing).

I watched a few hours of a $10K FT at Caesar's a few years ago, it was pretty boring. I don't know what the answer is, but Diamond's right. For our community at least, we need more of the overall play and strategy to be exposed.

[Kemics]

Two hands from a heads up match that lasted for over 6 hours???

that's terrible i got the impression watching it that they had only played for 10 hands or something like that. Would be nice at least to get a time reference of how many hands they have played etc.

I totally agree that the nuances of poker are what make it interesting, just watching people nut peddling really isn't that exciting. That's why i quite like the poker after dark stuff because they show the steals and the little moves that the pros make.

i was really impressed by the quality of some of the lay-downs. I thought Ylon Schwartz's King high flush lay down to a tiny river bet was pretty impressive, shame he went out on a mis-read bluff. I think the payouts roughly matched up with skill over all. I also thought that as the "Pro" at the table Chino Rheem didnt play that well and didnt have great table manners either...probably just saying it because i got annoyed by him not putting his hat on properly. Makes his head look massive

[supafrey]

As much as I hate MTT analysis on forums, let alone highly edited MTT analysis, that K7 laydown was sick. It wasn't a small bet to say the least, but I'd definitely think I was crushing some floaty high king. I can't even imagine what level that fold was on.