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"Miracle" River Card, whats your play? 25NL

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"Miracle" River Card, whats your play? 25NL

Postby TheSalche » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:49 pm GMT

First orbit or two into table, preflop raise is a bit spewy, trying to take it down right here whilst building table image. Villain is 13/7 over 100ish hands. What's your river play? Is turn call great/good/okay/horrible?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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CO: $25.90
BTN: $25.15
Hero (SB): $24.75
BB: $9.55
UTG: $26.80
MP: $25

MP posts $0.25
Pre-Flop: 2d Ac dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, MP checks, CO calls $0.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, CO calls $1.50

Flop: ($4) 2h 4c 9c (2 Players)
Hero bets $3, CO calls $3

Turn: ($10) Jc (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($22) Ah (2 Players)
Hero ???
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Postby odlozilik » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:41 pm GMT

I don't see the river card as miracle so much. 3 clubs are on the table, and villain can have the flush pretty probably. But you are both completely committed now. I would lead out for at least 8 bucks (you have about 13 $ remaining), if reraised, you are probably beat, but, of course, you can't fold anyway.
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Postby ErinJeff » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:42 pm GMT

What were you trying to accomplish with the turn call?

You have a well disguised river hand, but the flush card got there on the turn and villain bet it big. With this hand I want to showdown cheap as villain could have you with higher 2 pr, a made flush or a set. Maybe a blocking bet? The pot is pretty big relative to your stacks though, so that might commit you.

I would probably check call a moderately sized river bet and hope.
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Postby Jauron » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:27 pm GMT

Don't like the turn call, another club should kill your action unless he has a big club.

I check the river, and call most bets. I figure villain isn't going to call a lot of bets on the river with worse hands but may bet.
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Postby xDiamond_CutteRx » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:53 am GMT

Jauron wrote:Don't like the turn call, another club should kill your action unless he has a big club.

I check the river, and call most bets. I figure villain isn't going to call a lot of bets on the river with worse hands but may bet.

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Postby Yozman » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:00 am GMT

at NL25 and lower most players are donkey (in case you didnt know). these donks love suited cards and pocket pairs, they wil chase flush draws all the way for any price. he most probably has a flush but who knows at these levels could hav anything. i definately fold the turn, no way u are in front on the turn. all you can beat is a stone cold bluff.

river is interesting, if you call the turn and your hand gets stronger then u should call the river shouldnt you. i guess i call the river if this is my train of thought
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Postby gumbie » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:24 am GMT

Yozman wrote:at NL25 and lower most players are donkey they wil chase flush draws all the way for any price.


zing?
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Postby odlozilik » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:22 pm GMT

Really nobody considers to bet out the river? I am really surprised. If we want to check-call anyway, isn't it better to bet and don't allow villain to check behind? He will call almost surely, as being committed.
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Postby ScanX » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:01 pm GMT

bet 7-8 & call a push on turn

as played, push river
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Postby TheSalche » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:47 pm GMT

Yozman wrote:at NL25 and lower most players are donkey (in case you didnt know)


Check my post count.

In IRC, Scan pointed out this is a bad hand to go up with vs. a nit preflop because he plays so few hands he's not letting anything go after a limp. Not to mention A2 is easily dominated and hard to play OOP.

Jauron - good point about club killing action, even though its an out I don't make much money by hitting it.
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Re: "Miracle" River Card, whats your play? 25NL

Postby MrDarling » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:48 am GMT

TheSalche wrote:...preflop raise is a bit spewy,
...Hero raises to $1.75...

Enough said?


A2o is really not a hand I need to see a flop with. Most of the time I wont even open the BTN with it and fold it in the SB if its folded to me.

Much rather do this with 56s or the like. That said, when a nit limp I'll probably take a free flop with the my hands that can hit big. If I've seen him limp/fold a lot I might raise my total trash hands, but am talking about hands that will not get me in troubles post flop.
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