MrD

[Jernej Zorec]

MrDarling I was railing your table in the aussie millions freeroll and I wanted to ask you about the hand you busted out on.



You raise with AQ UTG and got called by one player in MP. The flop came A** you bet out and he raised, you called and check raised him all in on the turn. He called and showed AK, you both had decent stacks.



I wanted to know what your thinking was during the hand.

[MrDarling]

Funny enough, I wanted to post this hand.
Obviously I wasn't thinking enough....

When he raised me on the flop I was hoping for a weaker A, as he didn't raise me PF. When the T came on the turn I was even more worried that he might hit 2 pair...

It was a stupid move. Am playing mainly 6 max and am not used to run into bigger A's too often. (Though today I got stacked with AQ on A high flop against A's )

I was doing real well until that point and just had a major brain fart. actually did fold AT to a c/r on A high flop earlier, as well as folding some weak Top pairs when it seems I was out kicked.

[kingetje]

this is why i sometimes suck in MTTs.... frickin full tables i tell ya!

[crack]

Post the hand anyway.

[MrDarling]

well, here is the hand, though it will be harder to see it my way now that you know the results.

btw, small history against villain. A while back, having more then twice then the next stack decided to raise from MP with some crap. villain called from BB.
I chose not to cbet (might have had some kind of a weak draw) villain led turn and showed T5s for a turned FD...

any way, here is the hand :
Full Tilt Poker Game #4069663329: Aussie Millions Giveaway (30647202), Table 22 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:20:08 ET - 2007/11/04
Seat 1: dimonpoker (1,345), is sitting out
Seat 2: hero (10,609)
Seat 3: Xiadow (1,130), is sitting out
Seat 4: Eddits (1,425), is sitting out
Seat 5: Truconfidence (9,410)
Seat 6: Jsilva23 (5,220)
Seat 7: WARDROPS (9,005)
Seat 8: fiok9566 (1,320), is sitting out
Seat 9: tassiehawk (3,320)
tassiehawk posts the small blind of 80
dimonpoker posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [As Qh]
hero raises to 400
Xiadow folds
Eddits folds
Truconfidence folds
Jsilva23 folds
WARDROPS calls 400
fiok9566 folds
tassiehawk folds
dimonpoker folds
*** FLOP *** [2h Ah 5s]
hero bets 800
WARDROPS has 15 seconds left to act
WARDROPS raises to 2,000
hero calls 1,200
*** TURN *** [2h Ah 5s] [Td]
hero checks
WARDROPS bets 3,040
hero raises to 8,209, and is all in
WARDROPS calls 3,565, and is all in

Dues to stack sizes, my decision was on the turn, if I call turn I presume the rest of the stacks go in on the river. I was slightly worried about AK and slightly more about AT. But was probably hoping for AJ or a FD...

Am still not sure if it is just horribly played or just sort of bad luck running into a bigger hand...
I think the former!

[Jernej Zorec]

tks
kinda big stack tho for tp only
many hands he can have on flop u dont do to well against

[MrDarling]

Totally agreed. I often have brain frat that either cost me the MTT or a lot of money in cash games...

[UrAteUp]

Totally agreed. I often have brain frat that either cost me the MTT or a lot of money in cash games...

I hate those.

[jimmer]

Can I ask a question about your turn play.

Looking at the hand from his point of view, you raised pf utg, then maybe made a cont bet on the flop (but could of also been for value). He then asks how good your hand is by raising, you answer the question by calling.

The turn is a Ten. The pot is about 5,000. He has around 6,400 left.

From his point of view, assessing your hand range, your possible holdings include possiably pocket 5's and deffinately pocket Aces, maybe also AK or AQ.

If you bet around 4,000, the villian would seriously have to question whether his TP TK is good enough. If he has any doubt, he has time to fold the hand and still be in good shape for later on.

On the other hand, by checking, you're effectively telling him you're not 100% sure your hand is good enough. Therefore, by checking, you are effectively putting him all-in and giving him an easy way forward. Of course, you could be check-raising him, but he would be pot committed by then anyway.

The question I have is; by calling his flop raise, presumably you thought you were winning? and if that is the case, why not bet the turn?

[tame_deuces]

Isn't WARDROPS our resident poster Crack?

[MrDarling]

Well, TBH I didn't plan the hand on the flop.
My limited thought process was : I can't fold TPGK to a raise on this flop. He might have a draw, or a weaker TP.
I'll call and reevaluate.
Once he bet the turn, and bet so much I really wanted to fold, I just couldn't...

Isn't WARDROPS our resident poster Crack?

now that will be funny.

[supafrey]

yes, it is crack. you should have been on IRC

[MrDarling]

did he know it was me?

[crack]

Heh, the game is up.

The T5s hand I called for three reasons.

1) I thought I could take the pot away from you with a nice flop (I was going to check raise you)
2) It was you and it's fun
3) You seem to be very observant (maybe too observant) and if we tangled later I may be able to stack you

[crack]

From his point of view, assessing your hand range, your possible holdings include possiably pocket 5's and deffinately pocket Aces, maybe also AK or AQ.

Nope, MrD isn't going to raise 55 there so I didn't put him on that. Even if he did have it I reckon he would not be able to help himself and check. A slight sniff of AA, but when I am holding one, anothers on the board and with the tourney payout I disregarded it. I put him on AK/AQ.

If you bet around 4,000, the villian would seriously have to question whether his TP TK is good enough. If he has any doubt, he has time to fold the hand and still be in good shape for later on.

Hmmm, a bet/call then bet? That move doesn't make much sense to me and I would probably have been happier shoving my chips in than I was with the check raise. Would have been a good way to stack me if he had a set though.